Talk:Yodo-dono

Allegations

These two paragraphs were in a section captioned "allegations" and Wiktionary defines this term as "An assertion, especially an accusation, not necessarily based on facts." By definition, the following doesn't belong in the article unless there are inline citations which support the claims made. I've moved the text to this talk page where these issues can be discussed more fully:

Lady Yodo was said to have committed adultery with a number of Toyotomi vassals, the two most often mentioned names being Ishida Mitsunari and Ōno Harunaga, who were both highly loyal to Hideyoshi. The speculation and allegations were widely spread as Hideyoshi had never been able to have a child with his wife and other concubines and was possibly sterile. She was also sometimes considered an obnoxious woman who bewitched Toyotomi Hideyoshi, took over the rightful place of his wife, and tried to manipulate the Toyotomi clan for her gains, indirectly leading to its demise.

However, many also believe that accusations against her were in fact partially propaganda spread and encouraged by the rising Tokugawa shogunate. As Lady Yodo—being the guardian of the young Toyotomi Hideyori—was the virtual ruler of the Osaka Castle and the Toyotomi clan, she having a bad image would have helped justify Tokugawa's military actions against Osaka.

With the addition of supporting citations per WP:V, these paragraphs can be restored at any time. --Tenmei (talk) 15:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Daikoin

This is an explanation for my revert of an anonymous editor's changes in the introductory paragraph.

While renaming this article Daikoin (大広院) is entirely understandable, it seems to me that this might be confusing in the broader context in which this historical figure is discussed. In my view, this was a relevant factor to be considered. I have no preference, but I think that it does make sense for any change from Yodo-dono to something else needs to be discussed.

I take it as relevant that the article about this historic figure is entitled ja:淀殿 in the Japanese Wikipedia. If this is not relevant, I wonder why not?

Although it was Fg2 who devised the first line of this article, I did think I understood the logic implicit in those choices. At a minimum, I wold have thought that it made sense to establish a one-to-one correspondence between the title and the first word/words of the first sentence. I haven't encountered this as an explicit "rule," but I have noticed that this appears to be the conventional pattern. In this context, I also notice that most English-language online web pages seem to use Yodo-dono. In other words, most online web pages seem to refer to Oichi's daughter as Yodo-dono or Lady Yodo. It appears that the sister of Oeyo and Ohashi is conventionaly identified as Yodo-dono.

I also want to mention a relevant, but somewhat outside the box point: The article about the mother of Emperor Antoku is not Kenreimon-In, but rather Taira no Tokuko for reasons I don't have to understand. I just accepted it. --Tenmei (talk) 22:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

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nun

She did not become a nun. That is a mix up with Nene, Hideyoshi's first wife.