Talk:Yulimar Rojas/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kusma (talk · contribs) 07:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Will review this one. Expect comments over the next couple of days. —Kusma (talk) 07:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Progress box and general comments

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• Images look fine. For some, the license has changed on Flickr, but the original license was fine and is confirmed via archive and Commons review. All images are appropriately relevant to the article.
• Captions: Mostly fine, but what is the "greatest athletes in the world" thing? Should be given a very short explanation and possibly have the proper name of the event (in whatever language it is) given.
• Ref layout: There are some issues (a bare URL and two CS1 maintenance categories for a start). Many publishers/newspapers could be linked.
• Broad enough, focused enough, neutral and stable.
• Several prose issues, see below.
• Could not see copyvio while checking the sources.
• No original research
• Sources seem reliable enough.

Reasonably sourced and substantial article on an interesting sportsperson. Putting on hold for issues to be addressed. —Kusma (talk) 22:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kingsif: It has been a week – do you think you'll be able to work on this soon? —Kusma (talk) 09:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kusma: I've been sick again, but hopefully should be back to being able to look at a screen this soon! Kingsif (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that. Hope you'll feel better soon! I don't mind waiting another week, I just wanted to know you haven't given up on this... —Kusma (talk) 21:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh, don't worry, it's basically just like migraines, but bright screens don't mix so well! Kingsif (talk) 01:09, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kingsif, it has been another week and soon I won't remember why I made all those comments -- do you think you'll be able to get back to this now? The alternative is to just fail this now, then you work through comments at your own pace and renominate. —Kusma (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Content and prose review

• Lead: I will comment later on whether anything is missing, and will check again at the end. It does look like it needs some rewriting and reordering.
• la reina del triple salto use {{lang|es|la reina del triple salto}} for accessibility
• The queen of the triple jump doesn't need four citations in the lead.
• Early life: ranchito needs {{lang}}.
• in the Altavista area (compared to a favela) Do you want to say that a ranchito is like a favela, or that the Altavista area is like a favela, or that somebody (who?) compares the Altavista area to a favela? The first sentence could do with splitting up.
• The RTVE interview is later; it should be made clearer that this is retrospectively looking at her time in poverty.
• Her early coaches have said that despite being talented and persevering, Rojas could not have become a successful athlete if she had not left the country, as she would not have access to food and medical treatment to stay healthy. This is talking about ca. 2015, but the rest of the section is talking about things happening earlier. Try to sort in a more logical manner without jumping backwards and forwards in time.
• no team What about Deportivo Anzoátegui? Or did they not have a women's team?
• Her stepfather ... told her to enroll in a specialist sports school. Did she?
• #11 in the world. According to the source, that is for 2011, not all time.
• Devonish and the sisters both feel a bit out of place here. Perhaps you could put all of the family together somewhere?
• the José Antonio Anzoátegui Stadium, which has fallen into disrepair As Yulimar Rojas is not mentioned in the context of the stadium, why do we need to know about its state of repair?
• 2011–2015: Career beginnings: first competitive jumping success doesn't this contradict the (seemingly earlier) competition in the previous section? (She seems unlikely to have set the new record without winning?)
• Link Countback
• Did she belong to any military?
• Aged 19, she won the triple jump title at the 2015 South American Championships, winning gold on her debut at the senior level. This says twice that she won.
• 2016–present: what is "official" about the measurements?
• It is implied, but not totally obvious in the article that she supported FC Barcelona football. (The source makes it explicit).
• When did the sponsorship by Nike start?
• Maduro: give full name, link and explain who he is at first mention
• World Championship in the open air better to say "outdoor World Championship". Link 2017 World Championships in Athletics.
• comfort to Venezuela not really seeing that in the source
• the Meeting Villa de Madrid as the last meet maybe just replace "as" by a comma, but the whole paragraph could do with some tightening.
• Despite jumping a world-lead long jump (wind assisted) in 2021, she only contested the triple jump at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics would be nice to know the context of the world-lead long jump (a competition) and that they chose not to compete in Olympic long jump.
• chosen to be a flagbearer for Venezuela at the opening ceremony, but missed the parade. so she didn't actually do the flag bearing? do we know why? and what does it mean to be flagbearer (in the succession box) if she didn't actually go there?
• (the year Rojas was born) not necessary, and just makes the sentence more unwiedly
• Rojas is ... Venezuela's first athletic gold and third gold medal overall I don't think she is a medal.
• Ana Peleteiro, Rojas's training partner in Guadalajara also coached by Pedroso That she lives in Guadalajara could be mentioned quite a bit earlier.
• one metre exactly ahead exactly one meter ahead?
• While we're here: you write "enroll" (AmE) but "metre" (BrE). Unify one way or the other.
• she said that her goal is to jump over 16 metres, saying try not to repeat "say"
• Source 34 (Infobae/EFE): would suggest to ditch the shitty machine translation and go for Spanish only.
• EUR€10,000 (about USD$11,000): Please don't write Euro-Euro or United States dollar dollar, it is redundant and unusual.
• defended as being only the approximate fee for Rojas to compete for the club at Spanish athletic competitions were they attacked for paying her too much or too little?
• I don't really get what the sponsorship paragraph is saying.
• the face of the Banco de Venezuela is this just some advertising contract or something more specific?
• Personal bests and Records held sections: best to add citations (even if they are repeated from above) to everything here. This type of content should not be uncited.
• Personal life: do we know anything about her activism?
• "forced" who described it as forced? Why scare quotes?
• The target Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics#Venezuelan_medalist_phone_calls mentions Rojas in a somewhat confusing way, but I do believe she is being criticised here.
• International competitions: again, would be nice to have sources (I think there is some info here we haven't seen before)
• Honors and awards: as shown in a 54-minute compulsory broadcast across Venezueal -> new sentence "The award ceremony was shown in a 54-minute obligatory transmission in Venezuela" or something? Bolivarian_propaganda#Cadenas might also be good to ink to.
• In 2017 and 2019 she was named Latin American and the Caribbean's best sportswoman doesn't seem to be in the source given? Is there a proper name for this award?
• Murals and stadia: a bit mixed up.
• I was surprised to see that Armand Duplantis is a pole vaulter. From the statement here, I expected him to be a triple or long jumper.
• nominated for the 2022 Laureus World Sports Award for Breakthrough of the Year and she did not win.
• Links: the sports-reference link is only about the 2016 Olympics; anything better?

OK, first pass of prose done, will comment on criteria above. Quite a bit of copyediting and clarifications needed. —Kusma (talk) 22:41, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

• • @Kusma: I've made a bunch of edits, in line with your comments and also tweaking as I saw fit as I went through the article again. It'd be great if you could have another look! I'm also going to reply to some of your more conversational comments. Kingsif (talk) 02:02, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Did she belong to any military? - Not that I can find mentioned anywhere, and she did start competing young so it seems unlikely. It seems you're asking because of the Military World Games, but it's been a while since they've only accepted military athletes, with one link I found mentioning that the smaller nations often send their national teams.
  • When did the sponsorship by Nike start? - I would assume around the time of the 2016 Olympics, but even limiting search results to 2016 I can't find a source that gives a date.
  • she didn't actually do the flag bearing? do we know why? and what does it mean to be flagbearer (in the succession box) if she didn't actually go there? - She didn't. Someone (nobody official) posted on Telegram that she ended up on a later flight from Madrid than intended, though there aren't even sketchy Venezuelan sources for that so sounds more like speculation. The succession box is because Venezuela had a full-on selection and voting process for their flagbearers; it's already quite an honour but some countries seem to give it out ad-hoc, while Venezuela made it an official thing. The selection box links to the flagbearers article, where I believe there is a note about it (some user tried to insist there was a replacement, which there wasn't, and compromises generally adds more words); there was some of the note in Rojas' article before, but I thought it was too much detail of one thing.
  • is this just some advertising contract or something more specific? - Efecto Cocuyo is kind of repeating the press release because, well, the press release was very press release-y. Sounds like her image will be used for promotion, but everyone was just waxing lyrical about how great each other are.
  • Personal life: do we know anything about her activism? - there's a few sources knocking around, I'll see what I can add.
  • who described it as forced? Why scare quotes? - Enrique Velez, the author of the source. It's an opinion piece from El Nacional, a leading independent Venezuelan newspaper. I've expanded the quote to what it originally was at Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics, before getting chopped then removed at the criticism article. The scare quotes were there, either because it was originally a longer quote, or because a pro-Maduro troll may have dropped by and insisted that WP wasn't neutral by saying it directly rather than quoting.
  • International competitions: again, would be nice to have sources (I think there is some info here we haven't seen before) - Wish I could oblige you, I tried when I first started expanding, but if you look in the edit window you'll see this is a weirdly specialist pre-formatted table that athletics seems to use and I'm not totally sure on how to edit, period, and have no idea how to add refs without breaking it.
  • the sports-reference link is only about the 2016 Olympics; anything better? - sports-reference shut down, I believe, so... not besides the World Athletics one already there
• It is much improved, I am very happy with your changes so far and can accept your explanations for not making changes. There are still some CS1 maintenance messages: no. 18 (consudatle.org) has a "unfit" URL (no idea whether correctly or not). No. 61 (dl.all-athletics.com) has no proper title. Other than that, will just look at the lead and do another read through if anything catches my eye.
• Lead: I find it a bit jumbled. We've got a very short "why is she notable" (mostly her records and wins), then a sentence or two about her life, then she wins the Order of Ribas, and then we have her records again, in a bit more detail, followed by a sentence that she holds records. Maybe a bit more detail about her life and a little less about the records? You could also mention that she is amazingly good at other athletics too.
• 6.36 m (20 ft 10+1⁄4 in) in the former event you could just say "long jump".
• In the 2022 outdoor athletics season, Rojas only competed in Spain well, that isn't likely to stay true for long, is it? Unless you want to say she won't go to the 2022 World Athletics Championships because these are not in Spain.

Think that's it! —Kusma (talk) 13:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Kusma: Edited lead, and the other phrasings mentioned here. Kingsif (talk) 22:10, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Passing now! —Kusma (talk) 22:28, 2 July 2022 (UTC)