Talk:Zali Steggall

First on world championship podium?

No other Australian has ever come close to winning an Olympic or World Championship alpine skiing medal.

Malcolm Milne won a bronze at the World Championship at Val Gardena in 1970. Andjam 13:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

steven lee won the world cup in furano in 85 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.105.221 (talk) 01:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Steven Lee won the Super-G race on March 3rd, 1985; Mr. Milne won the mentioned bronze medal in the Downhill race (February 15th, 1970) but he was also victorious in the Word Cup Downhill race of Val d'Isère on December 14th, 1969. --213.225.10.48 (talk) 19:57, 28 December 2016 (UTC).

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1994 Olympics overall standing?

There reads: At the 1994 Olympics in Lillehammer, the size of the field was scaled back. Steggall came 22nd out of 28 athletes in the slalom and 24th and last in the giant slalom. She withdrew from the super-G and was unplaced in the overall standings.^[5] What overall standing? The article Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics has nothing about an overall standing, and I have never seen such being used in other than World Cup (and other Cups). 85.76.71.5 (talk) 06:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Personal life

Is it acceptable to remove information from here?--Jack Upland (talk) 10:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

This is currently OK. I think we should mention her first marriage, as it has been recorded in reliable sources and it is not derogatory to anyone.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:26, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2019

Please change Zali Steggall, OAM (born 16 April 1974) is an Australian lawyer, former Olympic athlete and Men's magazine model. It is incorrect and a piece of vandalism; please change to Zali Steggall, OAM (born 16 April 1974) is an Australian lawyer and former Olympic athlete.

Furthermore, please delete both her height and weight, as they are both incorrect. JackHislop (talk) 02:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done Ivar the Boneful (talk) 04:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Zali Steggall is a men's magazine model, here is a magazine scan of her doing lingerie modelling for a men's magazine: https://forums.auscelebs.net/acnet-files/image.php?id=969733&from=post

Your attempt at historical revisionism is factually incorrect. I did not add the Penthouse Black Label statement and accept this may be inaccurate --Martin.j.fox (talk) 07:43, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

She is not known for being a magazine model. Those sources are not good sources. The "Pear" source does not say she modelled nude. Inside Sport is not exactly a men's magazine, and I wouldn't exactly describe Steggall as wearing lingerie. If you found a reliable source that discussed this, you could put it in the article. But in no way does that belong in the lead.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:53, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I have literally linked through to a picture of Zali Steggall in lingerie for the 1995 edition of Inside Sport --Martin.j.fox (talk) 07:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Why is it a "Men's magazine"? Why the capital?--Jack Upland (talk) 07:59, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I think given this is an election campaign we should be careful about putting such things in a person's article.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:57, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Height and weight

Her height and weight comes from Sports Reference. Is that a reliable source? 75 kg sounds a bit high. Adpete (talk) 10:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't know. Weight at what point? I don't think these figures are necessarily here. Most pages don't have them. She retired as a skier in 2002. Let's get rid of them.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:23, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Inside Sport picture

Martin.j.fox has continued to insert this photo into the article, as the lead image. This was previously taken out as a copyright violation. Adding text to the picture doesn't change the fact that it is a copyright violation, though Martin asserts it is his own work. It is not a genuine "fan poster" as he claimed, but rather another attempt to get the picture into the article. Even if we could get round the copyright issue, which we can't, I don't think this is an appropriate picture to use for an aspiring politician, especially as a lead picture. As for the claims about her being a "model", we have no reliable source for this. She might have had a couple of glamorous shots taken at the height of her fame as a skier. That's not notable. She is far from "nude" in the photo provided, and only because her camisole (?) is revealed could it be said that she was in lingerie. However, as I said, this is not an appropriate image. She is known as a skier, a barrister, and a political candidate. This photo gives totally the wrong impression.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

This picture is notable in that there has been a great deal of controversy surrounding the sexist and demeaning treatment of women by Inside Sport. The picture proves beyond a doubt that Zali Steggall was complicit in the behavior of Inside Sport in using sportswomen in such a demeaning and degrading manner. It is clear Zali Steggall did this for monetary gain and it flies in the face of the correct treatment of women in the media. Zali Steggall's hypocritical positions here should be made known in an article that seeks to present an unbiased view of the candidate. --Martin.j.fox (talk) 06:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I thought you said you were a fan of Steggall, Mr Fox?--Jack Upland (talk) 06:24, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

It is definitely not appropriate as a picture for the article, because of issues of WP:UNDUE weight. As for whether to mention it at all: it's pretty common - and uncontroversial - for female athletes to do these sorts of "glamour shots". Unless we can find a reliable 3rd party source commenting about them: to include them is using WP:PRIMARY sources, and to pronounce them as controversial is WP:OR. So no, we do not mention them at all unless they get signficant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Adpete (talk) 07:38, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, and Martin's comment above reveals that his reason for inserting the picture in the article is to embarrass her as a political candidate. It is nothing to do with being a fan or documenting her supposed career as a model.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Martin.j.fox is pathetically trying to smear Zali under the guise of concern for "sexism" 203.38.29.204 (talk) 02:12, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Labor preferences

I have removed the suggestion that she won on Labor preferences. I can't see this is the source given. On my count she received an extra 13% on preferences. Labor was on 6.2% primary, Greens 5.6%. So she got more than the Labor preferences and the Green preferences combined. Labor preferences were a minor contribution to her preferences, on the figures given. She only needed 5.6% to win, so she was not dependent on Labor preferences at all.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

This has now been reinserted in a different form. While the statement might be accurate, it is not in the source given, and I don't see why we need to highlight the Labor preferences, or in fact go into such detail about the electoral count.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:42, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

What Antony Green says is: "Steggall's victory on first preferences was remarkable for a first time candidate. Steggall attracted roughly one in five 2016 Liberal voters, and swept up votes from most other parties, with Labor reduced to bit-player status on 6.6% and the Greens 6.1%. From a relatively small pool of 17.5% of votes for Labor, the Greens and other candidates, Steggall attracted 78.6% of preferences as shown by the chart of preferences below." Labor a "bit-player" is clearly not decisive in the win. Removed this unsourced statement again.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Another point is that when an independent wins over the Liberals, Labor is likely to be third. Being third, its preferences will distributed last (as they were here). This is normal and not addressed by any source I have seen.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Wind farms

This has been added a few times:

Steggall advocates action on climate change. An online petition has been set up to assess support for the establishment of wind farms in Warringah. The petition, which calls for Steggall to show leadership on this matter, has been well supported.

We have already said that she advocates action on climate change. The reports on the petition on wind farms are from her opponents, and the petition seems to be a joke. There is no serious proposal for wind farms on the Northern Beaches, and I think they would be impractical. This is similar to the reports about nuclear power stations in the electorate of Bennelong a few years ago. In any case, since she hasn't taken a position on the issue, it doesn't seem relevant to this article.--Jack Upland (talk) 11:14, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

References

Most of the skiing career part should be re-written.

There are lots of strange statements in the part covering Steggall's skiing career. References to World Cup, European Cup and World Championships are mixed as if they were of the same status. A World Championships in Sestrière in 1996 is mentioned in spite of there being no such competition. That part should be re-written. By somebody. :) Fomalhaut76 (talk) 14:17, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Modelling etc

Since this has come up again:

• We have documentary evidence that she was featured in Inside Sport and Penthouse after her Olympic triumph, but we have no secondary sources discussing this — apart from discussing "trolls" editing this page. We also have a source which says she was involved in a promotion for Australian pears.
• News.com.au categorically states that she did not appear in nude photoshoots. I have seen nothing to contradict this claim.
• It is not unusual for sportspeople to take part in photoshoots, interviews, and advertising campaigns.
• There is no evidence that her participation in these things was controversial, apart from here, at this page, since she edited politics.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

‎ Edits revised by suspected candidate campaign operative

The recently reversed 2 January 2022 edits added two primary sources that directly refuted the Wikipedia subject's obfuscation during a media interview, which was referenced directly in the preceding sentence. The edits cite primary sources that discredit the representations made on Steggall's behalf by Gardner. The fact the truth of this matter in all likelihood serves to discredit Steggall is in no way defamatory.

Editor --Jack Upland appears to be a campaign operative working on behalf of Steggall and repeatedly sought to sanitize her Wikipedia entry prior to the 2019 election, to such an extent that he removed primary sources and engaged in significant editorial. These edits do not appear to have been made in good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zizek Rocks (talk • contribs) 12:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

There are several issues with the information you want to include in the article.
1. They do not use neutral language ('evasive', 'sympathetic') without any source to back those claims up
2. The edition of Penthouse clearly states that Steggall is categorised under Articles and not Pictoral, so unless you can find a source that shows otherwise this is as noteworthy as her being interviewed by the SMH or The Australian.
3. The idea of Gardner coming in to protect her is again not supported by the sources and is POV
4. You need to come up with a reason why posing in lingerie is noteworthy
As far as I am concerned none of that paragraph is noteworthy, although I am open to being convinced if it is radically different to what exists at the moment. Playlet (talk) 13:06, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I am not a campaign operative working for anyone.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:43, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

You're deleting primary sources that directly counter the misleading impression Steggall allowed to be presented on her behalf by Georgie Gardner in the media interview cited in the Wikipedia entry. The alterations to Steggall's Wikipedia page in 2019, referred to erroneously as an "online smear campaign", would appear to be factually correct. It should be of great concern that Jack Upland orchestrated these edits in 2019 and is again sanitizing her Wikipedia entry. The posing in lingerie is noteworthy because Steggall allowed Gardner to falsely claim on her behalf that she had never engaged in these activities, she then proceeded to claim that she was being unfairly victimized by the alterations to her Wikipedia profile. Zizek Rocks (talk) 02:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

The comments you made on the TV interview is POV, the idea that Gardner was protecting Steggall is not part of the interview, it is your inference from the interview. So unless you can bring a reliable source that says that Gardner was protecting Steggall it is not something that belongs in the article

She was in a Penthouse article, not pictures, so you are free to say that she sat for an interview with Penthouse, but I am not sure that is noteworthy. Are you going to include every interview she ever had as an Olympian?

The 'lingerie' picture is no different to MPs having pictures in the many women's magazines. It was not particularly racy, she was mostly covered up. It is completely irrelevant

So this has nothing to do with who is a campaign person for which candidate, or what happened in 2019. It is down to the fact that these edits are not noteworthy and have no business being in a Wikipedia article. Playlet (talk) 04:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Why is she denying it then, or using her proxy in the press (Gardner) to deny it on her behalf? It's not just that she's denying it, or using her proxy to deny it, she's further claiming to have been victimized as a result of information being added to her Wikipedia entry, despite the fact that is factually correct. The magazine appearances (as you rightly point out, are not particularly controversial in and of themselves) are noteworthy because Steggall has made them controversial by denying them and claiming to have been victimized. Wikipedia has made them noteworthy by censoring them and allowing active censorship of the profile of an Australian Parliamentarian. 116.251.39.7 (talk) 06:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

It is using a magazine known for nude pictures, so when you take out the context that it was an article only, it looks bad for her. That is why this is a non-story and the inclusion of it in the article is at the same time factually correct, not notable and defamatory. This is why she had to address the issue because people were trying to defame her using problematic inferences. That is why it has no place in this article.Playlet (talk) 06:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

It is not possible for something to be factually correct and defamatory, truth is a defence to defamation. Removing material because "it looks bad for her" is political censorship and undermines the mission of Wikipedia 'to present a neutrally written summary of existing mainstream knowledge in a fair and accurate manner with a straightforward, "just-the-facts style"'. Present the facts and allow people to make up their own minds. Do not remove primary sources because they look bad for Steggall. Zizek Rocks (talk) 22:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I think this is a case of a loop of gossip. The mainstream sources we have discussing this issue are actually referring to this Wikipedia page. We should avoid creating loops like that.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Editor Playlet has been revealed to be a campaign operative for Zoe Daniel. We need a senior editor to investigate whether Jack Upland is one of his sock-puppet accounts. Zizek Rocks (talk) 06:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Since I have been editing Wikipedia as Jack Upland since 2005, it is unlikely that I am a sock-puppet.Jack Upland (talk) 08:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

‎ Edits by candidate campaign operative Playlet confirmed, he also used multiple sock-puppet accounts

Editor Playlet has been confirmed to be a campaign operative for Zoe Daniel and is ideologically aligned with Teal candidates like Zali Steggall, his real name is Rabbi Yaron Gottlieb and he has been suspended for using multiple Wikipedia accounts. Full details are set out below in reporting by The Australian. These revelations bring into question the neutrality of Steggall's Wikipedia profile and unmask an obvious campaign by political operatives to censor and harass contributors. Wikipedia's higher level editors need to address this urgently to restore confidence in the site and the information it contains. This is scandalous and enormously damaging to the reputation of Wikipedia and its oversight processes, particularly as I brought these issues to light earlier and received a ban when I undid the censorship they had engaged in.

Wikipedia query on teal MP Zoe Daniel

REMY VARGA

NSW REPORTER

5:18AM JULY 12, 2022

The Wikipedia page of teal independent MP Zoe Daniel has been flagged as potentially being created or edited “in return for undisclosed payments”. The online encyclopaedia has added a note to Ms Daniel’s page warning readers that it may violate policies requiring content to represent views fairly, proportionately and without bias.

“This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia’s terms of use,” said the note.

“It may require clean-up to comply with Wikipedia’s content policies, particularly neutral point of view.”

The note was added after The Australian reported the Victorian division of the federal Liberal Party had written to the Australian Electoral Commission about an account called Playlet, which created Ms Daniel’s Wikipedia page.

It was operated by Melbourne rabbi Yaron Gottlieb, who was involved in Ms Daniel’s campaign but has been suspended for the “misuse of multiple Wikipedia ­accounts”, a practice known as sock puppetry.

Mr Gottlieb said he had never been employed by Ms Daniel nor her campaign and had never made Wikipedia edits for money.

“I have never edited any Wikipedia pages for payment, whether disclosed or not,” he said.

“Suggestions that I have engaged in any nefarious conduct, such as editing Wikipedia for undisclosed payments or to propagate disinformation, are false and defamatory.”

The Australian is not suggesting anyone, Mr Gottlieb or otherwise, made edits to Ms Daniel’s Wikipedia page for money and is reporting only that a note was added. Mr Gottlieb – as Playlet – also created the Wikipedia pages of campaign fundraising vehicle ­Climate 200, independent candidate for Wentworth Allegra Spender and Greens candidate for Macnamara Steph Hodgins-May.

He also made about 70 edits in the past year to the page of then incumbent MP Tim Wilson, against whom Ms Daniel successfully ran in the Victorian seat of Goldstein, as well as edits to the pages of former treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Victorian Caulfield MP David Southwick.

Mr Wilson said Ms Daniel should prioritise her constituents, given the election was over.

“Zoe Daniel should focus on the people of Goldstein and call off her attack hounds who spread misinformation in the lead-up to the election and should definitely stop now it’s over,” he said. Wikipedia is maintained by online volunteers and anyone with an account is able to edit pages.

All changes are recorded and can be viewed by anyone.

A spokeswoman for Ms Daniel said Mr Gottlieb had never been paid by Ms Daniel or by her ­campaign.

Mr Gottlieb and his wife, Alex Fein, donated about $350 to Ms Daniel’s campaign in Goldstein, according to the teal MP’s ­website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zizek Rocks (talk • contribs) 01:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Long bow claiming this has anything to do with Zali Steggall. “Ideologically aligned” doesn’t cut the mustard. Ponyshine (talk) 07:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

No at all, the same editor Playlet has been vigorously editing Zali Steggall's page and it seems likely that he also used his sock-puppet accounts to nail down these edits. Steggall and Daniel are obviously ideologically aligned, they're even supported for the same financial backers, have similar policy platforms and broadly identical branding. This is scandalous for Wikipedia's reputation in the Australian political arena. A senior editor needs to examine the extent of the activity of this account and its sock-puppets on the pages of Australian politicians. Zizek Rocks (talk) 06:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

References

‎Resumption of censorship and editing by Playlet and potential sock-puppet accounts

Censorship and editing of this Wikipedia entry by a political operative and financial donor to Teal candidate MPs resumes unimpeded, despite Playlet's suspension for sock-puppetry. This is a sick joke and reflects poorly on the quality of the editorial oversight. Zizek Rocks (talk) 08:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Do you have any evidence of this?--Jack Upland (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

No lights no licra

Hi Zali, can you let us know if No Lights No Lycra is coming back to Manly? Thank you Leah 120.18.95.130 (talk) 13:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion on the contents of Wikipedia 'See also' sections

Jack Upland says, ”No reference to NIMBY in article” >> Sorry that is not the issue.

What is relevant here is MOS:ALSO >> A "See also" section is a useful way to organize internal links to related or comparable articles and build the web.

Further, many other articles (including those edited by Jack Upland) contain 'See also' sections breaking the 'Upland Requirement'. 'Including Zali Steggall' '==See also==' '* List of grassroots political engagement groups in Australia'

But let's not get into a discussion about WP:OTHERSTUFF

NIMBY - Australia, contains RS Steggall references.

Recommend that ==See also == include

• NIMBY - Australia

Podestsedop (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah, the windfarms again. But there was no proposal, and Steggal never said anything about it.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Jack Upland says, "no proposal, and Steggal never said anything " >> Sorry that is not the issue. >> What is relevant here is . . . . [refer above]

Podestsedop (talk) 03:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I think this reference to NIMBY is irrelevant

• I don't think the Zali section of the NIMBY article is relevant, NIMBY is not mentioned in any of the sources and that section should probably be deleted
• Even if it was, that is hardly a major issue that should be included in the See Also section. There are many other pages that should be ahead of that page
• The NIBMY issue is not relevant or mentioned in this article (and nor should it be)
• This was one incident with a small group that Steggall did not bother to respond to as far as I can tell, so it should not be referenced in the article

Playlet (talk) 04:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

There seems to be a long-term effort to insert the windfarm issue etc into the article. Surely there are other negative issues which have some substance...?--Jack Upland (talk) 06:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Jack Upland Agreed. I suggest the section about Steggall in the NIMBY article get deleted as it is clearly a red herringPlaylet (talk) 06:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

The above discussion is completely subjective. Podestsedop (talk) 07:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

There is clearly no evidence that Steggall is a NIMBY and we shouldn't suggest that there is.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:21, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Note: both Playlet and Podestsedop have been blocked as socks.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

B20097 who apparently introduced the windfarm issue into the article has also been blocked as a sock.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

I have since found out that Steggall did comment about it, in this article: Ms Steggall has not proposed wind farms in Warringah but said: "The concept behind it, which is let's be sustainable and use renewables as much as possible - whichever form is appropriate for where you're living - is fine." "They think they're being funny but I don't have a problem with it. I certainly support the concept of [making] Warringah like California, as sustainable as possible," Ms Steggall said. The article describes the petition as "tongue-in-cheek" and "satirical", and says that Steggall's opponent Tony Abbott dismissed it.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Zali Steggall/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: GraziePrego (talk · contribs) 04:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: I'll take this one. Please note, I view reviews as a conversation to improve the article. Please feel free to discuss anything that I propose. SusunW (talk · contribs) 15:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Photos appear to have adequate licensing information; however, I am unsure about the signature. The US position is clear, but I see nothing in the licensing page, Commons:When to use the PD-signature tag, that discusses Australia. Do you have information that a signature isn't subject to copyright there?

If we cannot determine Australia's policy on signatures, it should probably be removed. SusunW (talk) 15:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

• Senator's and Members of Parliament (ref 1) is dead. Add Wayback link and url-status=dead
  • The link isn't dead for me, not sure why IAbot won't archive it but it works fine on my end. GraziePrego (talk) 02:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

No idea, perhaps it's a Mexico thing, but I just get a timed out error every time I try to access it, but I can see it here. SusunW (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• looking at sports-Reference.com contributors, major contributors appear to be members of the International Society of Olympic Historians and other contributors who have provided corrections to entries. Although I don't find an actual editing policy, given that among the list of authors are Bill Mallon, who has published numerous histories of the Olympics; Arild Gjerde and Ove Karlsson, both awarded prizes from the ISOH for their work; and Jeroen Heijmans also a published author on the Olympics, I am willing to accept it as a RS.
• Ref 3, labeled "about" goes to a generic page with no biographical data in it. It needs to instead be linked to the page Meet Zali and specify that she is the author, thus it is a primary source. Probably better to cite it to a secondary source, like this.
• Cannot find accessible copy of Andrews (2000), nor Gordon (2003), p. 282. AGF.
• Citing her mother's book to the book itself is problematic. 1) it is primary, and 2) it would need to say on some specific page that she is Steggall's mother and that it was about their life in France. Better to cite it to Jacqueline Maley's piece in The Sydney Morning Herald, a reliable secondary source.
• Steggall was educated for 18 months in Sydney has no citation. Maley's article above confirms she went to school at Queenwood beginning in 1989, but does not confirm 18 months. Please provide a RS. Removed the mention of 18 months as couldn't find confirmation of that.
• should "ten Tests" be linked to Test match (rugby league) for readers who have no idea what that means, like me?
• The article in the Australian Financial Review is paywalled. An accessible copy is available in Wayback. It is authored by Andrew Clark, who should be credited and either marked with a template for subscription required or the archive link should be added. There is an archive link already present on this reference
• I'm confused by her father's teams. Clark does not list what teams he played for, but says he was "an active lifesaver in Manly". To me, that seems like he was also a surf lifesaver, i.e. competitive water sportsman and lifesaver, not rugby. Maley says he played rugby for the Norths and Manly, so you need to add a citation to Maley's article and clarify Manly Lifesavers. i.e. is it Manly Life Saving Club? Added a source for this. Oddly, I think there is a rugby club called the Manly Lifesavers as well as there being a lifesaving club with a similar name.

Wow, that's confusing. Since we are unsure and since Stegall says it, I would put quotations around "played rugby for Northern Suburbs, Manly Rugby Club and Manly Lifesavers". SusunW (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Gordon, p. 280 doesn't make it clear that she trained abroad. It says only that the Australian Ski Institute provided alpine training with Spiegl. Both this and this make it clear she trained with the Austrian and German men's teams.
• Albertville in 1992, at the age of 17 is cited to The Compendium, p. 218, but it says nothing about Albertville or her age on that page. The previous page in inaccessible to me, but given other entries, it doesn't give bio info on athletes, just the name of the event. Sports-reference.com, which needs to be cited, confirms Albertville as her debut and her age.
• No access to The Compendium, p. 220, AGF.
• event at Sankt Anton citation goes to a blank page of the Daily Telegraph and no links in Wayback work. This confirms she made it into the top 10 at St. Anton, but doesn't confirm that was her first time in the top tier. Removed claim of "first time"
• Can't access Andrews (2000), p. 405, AGF. But, I note that sometimes you use s and sometimes you use sec, it should be standardized. If it were me, I'd probably use the full word seconds to ensure that readers understand, but maybe there is a template for race times? Admittedly, WP technology is baffling to me, so I have no idea if such a thing exists.
• Again can't access Andrews (2000), p. 405, but I note that Curtain says she won by 0.78 seconds.
• Andrews (2000), p. 405 and 314 are inaccessible. I would perhaps add this to both sentences about her win and her time because of the accessibility issues.
• At the end of In December, Steggall placed the link goes to a blank page of the Daily Telegraph and no links in Wayback work. This confirms her 1 second loss to Pärson. After this you need to say that the 2nd place finish made her the first woman from Australia to win an alpine medal in a World Cup competition, cited to Sport Australia Hall of Fame.
• Same problem with the ref on She had earlier placed seventh at Park City, but this looks like it says she finished 2nd in Park City and was ranked 7th overall?
• Gordon (2003), p. 282 is inaccessible, AGF
• Andrews (2000), p. 405 not accessible, AGF, but how do we know that Vail was her last? Same with 10th at Aare, Sweden, the last top 10 result in her career. Those are both cited to that dead Daily Telegraph link and I find nothing in Newspapers.com or a book search. Do you have another source? After the sentence about Vail, you need to input that her Alpine World Championship title was the first for any athlete in the southern hemisphere.

In February 2000, she came 10th at Aare, Sweden, the last top 10 result in her career needs a valid citation. Telegraph link is dead and not archived. SusunW (talk) 15:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

• The Compendium, p. 225 is inaccessible to me, AGF. Steggall's Olympic career ended...Why is this sentence not part of the previous paragraph? One sentence paragraphs typically conflict with WP:Proseline as they aren't actually prose, but function as timelines or bullet points. I think it needs to be part of the preceding paragraph.
• In the lede, you have Steggall is Australia's most internationally successful alpine skier and In the Winter Olympics she is Australia's first individual medallist, first female medallist, and only medallist in alpine skiing. None of which is cited in the body of the article. The lede is supposed to be a summary of already cited material, so you need this information verified in this section. The link to the Sport Australia Hall of Fame confirms most of that (not only alpine medalist, so if you have a source for that, it needs to be included or removed from the lede), but shows "most internationally successful alpine skier" is a direct quote. (I'm going back to the above and note where you should input the other info from this link.)

Legal career

• Steggall retired from skiing in 2002 is not verified in Family Law Chambers but is confirmed in the Sport Australia Hall of Fame. Change link.
• She completed a Bachelor of Arts, majoring in communications and media studies from Griffith University, Brisbane, Queensland, and then studied law. She was admitted as a solicitor while working for her father's legal practice, Roper & Steggall, in Manly, New South Wales. In 2008, she was admitted to the NSW Bar. again not verified in Family Law Chambers. This link from the International Ski and Snowboard Federation confirms most of it, but does not give the name of her father's firm. Perhaps link New South Wales Bar Association
• Her principal areas of practice as a barrister were family law, sports law, commercial law, real-property law, local government and planning law, corporations and insolvency law, and equity. does not appear to be supported by Family Law Chambers. The Ski Federation confirms sports law. This says sport and family law and this says sport, family, and commercial law. Do you have a source that confirms all of that?
• Steggall was councillor to the NSW Bar Association and chair of its Health, Sports, and Recreation Committee from 2010 to 2013 is really close to the source material "Steggall served as councillor to the NSW Bar Association from 2010 to 2013 and was Chair of its Health, Sports and Recreation Committee from 2010 to 2013". You need to rephrase. Also, I would probably site it to the Ski Federation site which is not primary.
• For the second paragraph, do we have any source that is independent? She is a member of Family Law Chambers, Open Politics says it's information is compiled from candidate statements, and she attended Queenwood. If there aren't any, there aren't, but it would be better to find at least one source that is independent. (Anne Davies and Paul Karp of The Guardian verify the International Council of Arbitration for Sport in 2017 and that she is on the board of Queenswood.)

Politics

• Anne Davies and Paul Karp say she advocated for 4 main issues. I don't see any discussion here of her support of a stable economy and opposition to proposals then being considered on capital gains tax, franking credits, negative gearing,(per Davies/Karp Jan 2019) and a seniors' tax.(per Sam Clench) She also advocated for fairer and lower taxes for small businesses.(per Davies May 2019) I think it's important as it was part of the opposition to her candidacy's misrepresentation of her positions. I see that you discuss franking later, but I think it needs to be in her positions and the discussion on the debate, needs to be on their clash on climate change, because Davies said it was the major issue of the debate.
• Not a big deal for GA, but campaign.[23][17] refs aren't in numerical order.
• If you move the bit about franking above, then possibly add something like During the debate, Steggall and Abbott clashed on measures to address climate change, such as stronger vehicle emissions standards, and support for electric cars and charging stations. Abbott opposed subsidizing the car industry. Although Steggall did not favor a mandate for 50 percent electric vehicles by 2030, she supported policies that would move toward that target and sufficient charging stations to support the higher electric use. She felt with better controls in place emissions could be reduced more than 45 percent by 2030. She also supported the creation of an independent advisory to phase out dependence on coal and spur development of renewable energy projects. (Obviously your call, but the source does focus on this topic most.)
• Why would you name Robert Purves but call Sandra Purves only "his sister"?
• (I'm convinced it is either a "Mexico thing" or Australia blocks outside access to its electoral sites. I cannot access the Australian Electoral Commission site either.) The archived link points to a page that says Stegall won by 58.69% but with only 17.72% of the vote counted. The page that supports vote of 57.24% is this one. Correct archive link.
• over 4,100 She had 40,034 votes, he had 35,935 a difference of 4,099. Shouldn't it say just under 4,100?
• Her victory marked the first time that the traditional blue-ribbon Liberal seat had been out of the hands of the Liberals or their predecessors since its formation in 1922. Don't see this in the cited source. It says "Warringah was first contested at the 1922 election and has always been a safe conservative seat" this says Warringah is "traditionally regarded as a blue-ribbon Liberal seat" and this says it voted for conservative MPs since it was founded.
• The section marked Member of Parliament definitely has issues with proseline and has far too many headings. I think you need only two: "First Term" and "Second Term". First term should provide an overview of all of her work, not just foreign policy. For example, her Parliament bio says she served on the Standing Committee on Environment and Energy and the Joint Select Committee for Australia's Family Law System Reform from 2019 to 2022. This says her position on family law was that the approach should balance the rights of mothers and fathers but to avoid polarization should focus on the rights of children. According to this, she opposed a proposal make the Family Court part of the Federal Circuit Court because it would overburden judges already dealing with excessive case loads, and eliminate the specialized and supportive nature of the family court. She also objected to live broadcasting of the committee's inquiry after Pauline Hanson's One Nation's live-stream allowed commenters to attack witnesses, per this According to this, in August 2021 she introduced a private member's bill regarding truth in campaign advertising, this says but it was not supported by the two major parties.
• In March 2021, Steggall joined I don't think we know when she joined, just that she was a member of the group. The article is dated March 2021, but says "who last year met with Mr Assange in Britain, said the point of the meeting was to express the group's support for Mr Assange" so we know only that it was formed prior to 2020. Perhaps just "In foreign policy matters Steggall, part of the "Bring Julian Assange Home" parliamentary group, opposed extradition of Assange to face charges in the United States on his publishing rights.
• 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, The Australian is paywalled and should be marked {{subscription required}} or you could change it out for this link, which says she felt it pressures athletes to make a political statement for their governments.
• In the section "second term", I would eliminate the headers "2022 federal election", "Indigenous Voice to Parliament", and "Tax policy" making only 2 paragraphs. The first about her election campaign and the second a[1][2] and it was even reported in the [New York Times] so seems a big deal?
• Steggall retained her seat Join to the previous paragraph and just say "She retained".
• Deves.[37] Steggall increased her margin after flows better if you say "Deves, and increased her margin" Link is to the 2019 election with Abbott. Change it to 2022.
• Second paragraph should start with her Parliament bio info, which says she began serving on the Standing Committee of Climate Change, Energy, Environment and Water in 2022.
• I think it is important to say what the Indigenous referendum was about, i.e. according to Northern Beaches Advocate it would have created an advisory body for Indigenous input to the government on legislation and policies that would affect Indigenous people.
• large multinational companies evading tax is cited to a primary link by her. this is a secondary source, which appears to be reliable as it has an editorial board who oversees its reporters. After evading tax, I'd probably add "but protected retirees' uperannuations from excessive taxation, per this
• She reintroduced her false advertising legislation in 2023, per this and this shows other issues she wanted addressed such as housing affordability, pro-business policies, and economic inequalities.
• making changes to the planned stage three tax cuts. What changes?

Personal

• Proseline issues. Both sentences should be one paragraph. In 2007, her relationship with marketing executive Tim Irving was made public is cited to an article from the Telegraph but both the link and archive go to a blank page in the Herald Sun. and married later that year also says it's an article from the Telegraph but there is no article at the link and the archive page is an error. If you cannot find reliable links, better to just show what you can glean from Maley, they met in 2007, he was a marketing executive and he had 3 daughters. SusunW (talk) 20:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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Okay, that's it from me. Thanks for your work on her. I really enjoyed learning about her life. Please ping me when you have addressed the points above, or if you need to discuss something with me. SusunW (talk) 20:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments- it’s always great sharing Australian politics with people worldwide :)

I will get to work on your comments. GraziePrego (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Real life has gotten in the way of working on this but I shall try get it done over the next few days :) GraziePrego (talk) 04:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

GraziePrego where are we on completing this? Standard time frame is 7 days. I'd like to wrap it up before the Women in Green editathon ends in 4 days. SusunW (talk) 15:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SusunW, huge apologies for the delay! I will finish it off in the next couple of days. GraziePrego (talk) 01:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SusunW, I have finished going through the comments, let me know if anything else needs fixing. GraziePrego (talk) 02:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

GraziePrego I've made some edits to the article directly, mostly to omit proseline problems. There are only 3 points remaining, (marked in red). If we can finalize these, I am happy to pass the article. SusunW (talk) 16:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@SusunW Thank you for those edits- I have completed those last comments. GraziePrego (talk) 03:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks GraziePrego for your work on her. Passing now. SusunW (talk) 04:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Your review was extraordinarily thorough and excellent, thank you for taking the time to review this article. Pleasure working on it with you. GraziePrego (talk) 05:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Schwede66 talk 00:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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Zali Steggall in 2019

• ... that independent member of the Parliament of Australia Zali Steggall is also the most internationally successful skier in Australian history?

• Source: https://sahof.org.au/hall-of-fame-member/zali-steggall/

• ALT1: ... that independent member of the Parliament of Australia Zali Steggall is Australia's most successful skier? Source: https://sahof.org.au/hall-of-fame-member/zali-steggall/
• Reviewed:
• Comment: The two are alternatives in wording rather than content.

Improved to Good Article status by GraziePrego (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

GraziePrego (talk) 05:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC).

• GraziePrego Article meets DYK standards – neutral, and free of plagiarism. Source is nice, but you need a second source for her membership of the Parliament. Second alt works more for me, (ALT1: ... that independent member of the Parliament of Australia Zali Steggall is Australia's most successful skier? ). Arconning (talk) 09:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Arconning, I have to admit that I don't understand what you mean by you need a second source for her membership of the Parliament. Could you please elaborate? GraziePrego, you need to respond to a reviewer's feedback, otherwise this isn't going anywhere. Schwede66 22:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

A link for her membership of the parliament: https://handbook.aph.gov.au/Parliamentarian/175696 GraziePrego (talk) 22:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• Passing, my bad. Congrats on the new GA. Arconning (talk) 02:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area