Talk:Zangana (tribe)

Romani Origin

The Iranica Encyclopedia, referred to probable gypsy origin of zanganeh tribe--Namaka (talk) 18:42, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Zanganeh is the the name of Romani people in Fars province https://www.isna.ir/news/8812-13714/%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%8A-%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A2%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%85-%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%82%D9%8A-%D9%83%D9%88%D9%84%D9%8A-%D8%B5%D8%A8%D8%AD-%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF Isna is a valid news agency in Iran --Namaka (talk) 18:50, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Do they? Why not link it then? Also, since when is a news agency considered WP:RS for these kind of things? Furthermore, being a valid news agency in Iran does not make it better, hell it might even make it worse, considering the media is owned by the state and there isn't freedom of speech. Also, it is a bit late to try to discuss on the talk page --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I try to find the valid source for this matter.But you must not confuse freedom of speech with distortion of history.As u know Iran is the friend of kurds, maybe they've forgotten to delete this fact.--Namaka (talk) 19:20, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

بارون دوبد مورخ و محقق المانی واژه زنگنه را منشعب از واژه (تزیگنه) که واژه ای روسی و به معنای کولی است می‌داند و می‌نویسد ((زنگنه‌ها اکنون یکی از طوایف بسیار شریف کرد کرمانشاه به شمار می‌روند که اصوات نام آن مشابه کلمه تزیگنه روسی به معنی کولی است)) (دوبد، 1371:311)(1371=1992) وي تزيگنه و زنگنه را مرتبط با هم مي داند--Namaka (talk) 19:50, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Zinganeh , or Gipsies , are also a numerous body , but apparently of but little social influence https://books.google.com/books?id=C4ZFAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA151&dq=Zinganeh&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6gcC7y-PyAhWxmFwKHfNeCOgQ6AEwA3oECAMQAg

در ایران چند طایفه ایلیاتی هست که اصوات نام آنان مشابه کلمه تریگنه روسی به معنای کولی است . از اینها یکی زنگنه است که زمانی

بسیار زیاد بودند و اکنون یکی از طایف های بسیار شریف کرد کرمانشاه به شمار می آیند. نادرشاه هم شاخه ای از آنان را 

در لرستان جاییکه طایفه دیگری به نام زنگنه از نژاد لر مستقر است

Title Safarnāmah-ʼi Luristān va Khūzistān Volume 288 of Intishārāt-i ʻilmī va farhangī Author C. A. Baron De Bode Publisher Shirkat-i Intishārāt-i ʻIlmī va Farhangī, 1992 Original from Indiana University Digitized Nov 15, 2008 Length 528 pages

	 https://books.google.com/books?id=dIagAAAAMAAJ&q=%D8%B2%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%86%D9%87+%DA%A9%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C&dq=%D8%B2%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%86%D9%87+%DA%A9%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDp8TqzOPyAhXNSvEDHcqsDT0Q6AEwAHoECAYQAg

Gypsy: کاولی kavuli- قره چی karachi- زنگنه zanganah (Three Persian equivalents for English word gypsy)

Title An English-Persian Dictionary Author Arthur Naylor Wollaston Compiled by Arthur Naylor Wollaston Publisher W.H. Allen, 1882 Original from the New York Public Library Digitized Apr 1, 2008 Length 462 pages

--Namaka (talk) 20:24, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

A gypsy called Zingana in Russian.https://books.google.com/books?id=O2A9AAAAMAAJ&q=gypsy+zingana+tribe&dq=gypsy+zingana+tribe&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimp52w0uPyAhU5RvEDHauHARUQ6AEwBXoECAoQAg

The Sansis of Punjab: A Gypsy and De-notified Tribe of Rajput Origin Sher Singh Sher Munshiram Manoharlal, 1965 - Ethnology - 367 pages --Namaka (talk) 20:32, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Qashqayi Origin

It is interesting, zanganeh tribe is referred as a qashqayi tribe in the following book :

https://books.google.com/books?id=125IAAAAMAAJ&q=%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%84+%D8%B2%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%86%D9%87+%DA%A9%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C&dq=%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%84+%D8%B2%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%86%D9%87+%DA%A9%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqtbr90ePyAhXeSfEDHYPlBQwQ6AEwAnoECAMQAg

Title تاريخ تحولات سياسى و روابط خارجى ايران Volume 1 of Tārīkh-i taḥavvulāt-i siyāsī va ravābiṭ-i khārijī-i Īrān, Jalāl al-Dīn Madanī, ISBN 9646901247, 9789646901247 تاريخ تحولات سياسى و روابط خارجى ايران, مدنى، جلال الدين, ISBN 9646901247, 9789646901247 Volume 1 of نهضت مشروطه ايران بر پايه اسناد وزارت امور خارجه, Jalāl al-Dīn Madanī Author Jalāl al-Dīn Madanī Publisher دفتر انتشارات اسلامى، وابسته به جامعۀ مدرسين حوزۀ علميۀ قم،, 1990 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Sep 6, 2007 ISBN 9646901247, 9789646901247

--Namaka (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Gurani Origin

ولی بعلت اینکه بیشتر ایل های گورانی زبان ، مانند زنگنه ، سیاه منصور و غیره ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=2BUKAQAAIAAJ&q=%D8%B2%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%86%D9%87+%D9%84%D8%B1&dq=%D8%B2%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%86%D9%87+%D9%84%D8%B1&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidxtWP2OPyAhX4hf0HHRtVDBE4HhDoATAAegQIAhAC

Title نامۀ فرهنگ ايران, Volume 1 Volume 12 of Bunyād-i Nīshābūr Volume 1 of Nāmah-ʼi farhang-i Īrān, Farīdūn Junaydī بنياد نيشابور ؛ نامۀ فرهنگ ايران, جنيدى، فريدون Contributor Farīdūn Junaydī Publisher بنياد نيشابور،, 1985 Length 235 pages

--Namaka (talk) 20:58, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Luri Origin

محل سکونت ایلیاتیهای باغ ملک از طایفه لر زنگنه می باشند

در ایران چند طایفه ایلیاتی هست که اصوات نام آنان مشابه کلمه تریگنه روسی به معنای کولی است . از اینها یکی زنگنه است که زمانی

بسیار زیاد بودند و اکنون یکی از طایف های بسیار شریف کرد کرمانشاه به شمار می آیند. نادرشاه هم شاخه ای از آنان را 

در لرستان جاییکه طایفه دیگری به نام زنگنه از نژاد لر مستقر است

Title Safarnāmah-ʼi Luristān va Khūzistān Volume 288 of Intishārāt-i ʻilmī va farhangī Author C. A. Baron De Bode Publisher Shirkat-i Intishārāt-i ʻIlmī va Farhangī, 1992 Original from Indiana University Digitized Nov 15, 2008 Length 528 pages

As you see zingana can be part of kurds, lurs or qashqayis but they are originally gypsies.

--Namaka (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2021 (UTC)