Talk:Zap Comix

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many hands

“ Zap #1 was published in San Francisco in late 1968. It featured the work of satirical cartoonist Robert Crumb. Some 3,500 copies were printed by Beat writer Charles Plymell. Zap #1 was the first tittle put out by publisher Don Donahue under the Apex Novelties imprint. ”

Please clarify the relation between Plymell and Donahue. —Tamfang (talk) 05:09, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I have now included almost the entire team among the "creators", but I'm not sure if creator here would refer to "founder" or to "comics creator", i.e. to a creator performing all tasks in the process (as common in the underground/alternative market). 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I hope you're not saying the list of artists answers my question. —Tamfang (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Answer your own damn question. Saying "Please clarify" into the ether isn't how it works here.--72.194.4.183 (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Youth counterculture

"Zap Comix is the best-known and one of the most popular of the underground comics that emerged as part of the youth counterculture of the late 1960s." -- This seems odd to me to say. Zap Comix wasn't created by or for a youth counterculture (a misused or ill attributed phrase?). The series could not be sold to minors in most places and was only available in adult bookstores and specialty shops. The reason was because of its hardcore adult content. It is hardcore by today's standards (graphic, in your face depictions of rapes, murders, sexual acts with devils, grisly violence, etc., not to mention the gamut of explicit adult gag material) so one can imagine its place in the spectrum then. Not kids stuff.

I also question the validity of the phrase "youth counterculture" itself. If you mean the hippiedom of the 60's in general, I think it's inappropriate. During the run up to Woodstock, which was sort of the end of it all, the counterculture was largely made up of college students and those of that age and older. In the 70's when hippiedom had died but the commercialization of hippie accouterments (apparel and so forth) had caught on in elementary and secondary schools (buy your hippie "bell botoms" at Sears), then yeah, it's an appropriate term. Does that make sense? Thanks! Slordax (talk) 17:41, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Early-twenties aren't youth? —Tamfang (talk) 06:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Yet these comix continued to be published long after Woodstock, and they have never, I think, been out of print. I think the article could be expanded quite a bit. The iconic and edgy images in ZAP have had a great influence on the popular art of today, but just try to find some scholarly reference to it. Maybe it's still counterculture. Do you know someone with a Mr. Natural t-shirt or have you seen skull jewelery anywhere? 72.177.123.145 (talk) 21:12, 28 April 2013 (UTC) Eric

One of the slogans of the 60s counter-culture was, "Don't trust anyone over 30!", so that probably pretty much answers your question as to what still counts as a youth movement. --79.242.218.70 (talk) 09:45, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

It's remarkable how many people are incapable of understanding that their opinion is irrelevant. Something belongs in Wikipedia if and only if it appears in a reliable secondary source.

In addition, the comments from Slordax are ridiculous--"youth counterculture" doesn't refer to "kids" in "elementary and secondary schools" ... we were smoking dope, fucking our brains out, and trying to dodge the draft.

--72.194.4.183 (talk) 07:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)