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Legal discussion error

The legal discusssion of zoning contains an error. Constitutional concerns re: takings are incorrectly referred to under the fifth amendment, which of course provides protections against self-incrimination and double jeopardy - NOT takings without compensation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sss wiki (talk • contribs) 02:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

German Wikipedia link

the link to the german wikipedia is wrong and should be changed. i don't know how it's done or i'd do it. the wrong link goes to "raumplanung", which is spacial planning and which is done at the federal and provincial / state levels. the correct linkt must go to "bebauungsplanung" which is done at the local level. Sundar1 11:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

i figured it out! Sundar1 11:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Corruption

Zoning is patricuarly susceptable to corruption. Plus most laws require a person to be on another's property, public property, or interfering with another person to be invoked. Thus enforcement of z laws should be approached with great discretion to avoid violation of the sanctity of home. But z enforcers are often the lowest of the low, who would want to be a z enforcer, entering upon citizens proprety if they had another choice? yet they have police powers! There are laws limiting the height of hedges to 4.5 feet where thousands of properties have 12 footers, yet z enforcers have no problem giving first "offense" tickets for $250, subsequently they go to $500/day! Trees with limbs less than 7feet are illegal ( even in one's backyard ) yet palms grow through a phase where this is impossible. I have had tickets for too tall grass ( I HAVE VITUALLY NONE ), for parking a commercial vehicle ( a moving van, it's illegal to have lunch while loading, unless lunch last less than 30minutes! $500 fine ) and "storing" the car I drive ( new, ten day old tag, $500 ), charged for violations which the DCA had previously overturned ( eventually $12,000 in fines), and denied first time extensions of "administrative hearing" for " urgent health care" etc & etc! The laws are neither criminal nor civil, sort of a twilight zoning, and the game is rigged. It is easy for enforcers acting under color of law to step over it and become criminal organizations, especially when there is pressure to raise revenue, but how can one prevent them from engaging in this destruction civilization ?. Incidently, I live in Miami, where most civil "servants" are not born American, perhaps things are different elsewhere, but here the tempation to abuse law is too great for the minions of the city to resist. And if they force the old and infirm out, they can raise the tax base on the housing based on the selling price. If you would care to discuss issues relating to this topic please click my link. ta WblakesxWblakesx 00:04, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Can't speak specifically for Miami, but most of the above concerns do not seem to necessarily be the result of zoning law - rather they would seem to be more related to CCR and other localized regulations. The whole Zoning article strikes me as POV against zoning, ascribing a variety of ills to zoning laws; yet I wonder if those that disagree so strongly with zoning would welcome sex shops in residential areas, rehab and half way houses next to schools, and the like - which zoning protects against. Voideater 21:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Compare to Sim City?

Is this effectively what goes on in Sim City when you place "residential", "commercial" & "industrial" areas? Not being from a country where we have specific zoning laws it always seemed completely bizarre. But if it's akin to the way things are done in the US (where Maxis is based) it makes sense. Might be a good way to go about explaining how zoning works. 82.13.83.244 15:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Roughly, yes; traffic patterns and income come from creating these "generator" pips - as do some public opinion scores (just as in real life, Sims don't like living next door to a factory - something real life zoning moderates, too. Voideater 21:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Anti-zoning bias

This article has a clear anti-zoning bias. Some effort should be made to make it more ballanced. Here's one exampel of when zoning is useful. I live in a historic neighborhood in Kansas City, Missouri. After WWII, KC experienced severe housing shortages. Large houses in many older neighborhoods, mine included, were converted to apartments. Zoning has been useful in returning these houses to their original uses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.243.73.64 (talk) 17:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

can a zone be both residential and commercial? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.140.57 (talk) 01:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Types

A lot of the types seem USA specific, but they could also translate over into the UK, Australia, and Europe. If they don't translate and the USA only has these types, then we should remove the content from this article as it is already covered in the USA specific article. If the types do translate, then we need more citations and langauge that is not USA specific to describe the types of zoning.EECavazos 18:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

USA content move

I moved much of the USA-specific content to Zoning in the United States (land use). In the USA section I put a main article link that directs the article audience to the USA-specific article.EECavazos 18:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and having a USA-specific article would make it easier for a discussion on variances, special use permits, spot zoning and the like because we'll have an easier organizational structure with which to work.EECavazos 18:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Links

FYI, link #5 to Houston Chronicle article is broken (probably expired). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.67.6.15 (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Primary purpose of zoning

"Theoretically[citation needed], the primary purpose of zoning is to segregate uses that are thought to be incompatible; in practice, zoning is used as a permitting system to prevent new development from harming existing residents or businesses." This is incorrect. Theoretically, zoing is intended to implement the community comprehensive or master plan which is a long range vision for the community and includes a future land use plan that is used in making zoning decisions. Protecting property values from incompatible development is only one of many, many objectives of zoning. While zoning often separates incompatible uses, it also is used to encourage the mixing of land uses to create a vital and viable community. This article includes many serious errors and needs to be corrected, there's no citation because the statement is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.203.106 (talk) 17:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

i agree: this article indeed is a mess and starts on the wrong foot. the background of zoning is poorly described. zoning is a very old procedure and has been practiced in ancient times. mostly it developed naturally, sometimes it was planned. there were central commercial areas and markets and areas set aside for certain purposes, especially trades. regulations of building hights, right of way and security measures are also very old.

government regulated zoning became necessary in the stormy development of cities that came with the industrial revolution. they needed a tool to ensure development in an orderly fashion, starting with general accessibility and safety for individual buildings, later including measures in the public interest: lanes for traffic, green space, areas for public utilities and seperation of functions that disturb each other. zoning never was considered a tool against urban sprawl. and zoning in democratic countries has always been a difficult balancing act between public and private interests. critics of zoning should check out kathmandu. in many neighbourhoods the only way to get in is on foot or perhaps by bike. there better not be a fire or an earth quake.Sundar1 (talk) 14:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure this is the proper way to contribute to Wikipedia (too complicated for a casual user like me) but as a planner (non-practicing the profession and thus with no vested interest) I agree with you. This is a poorly written editorial, not an encyclopedic article on zoning. The first phrase should be changed or just thrown away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.250.51 (talk) 00:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Zoning by Income?

The article states:

In French zoning by income instead of with mixed occupation is called "zonage à l’américaine".

but there's no description of what "zoning by income" means. What exactly is this? 86.7.31.97 (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Occupancy limits for unrelated persons

Is there somewhere in Wikipedia that talks about municipal occupancy limits for unrelated persons? Is this the place to put that? It seems to me this is a topic of growing importance. Topher67 (talk) 19:50, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Here is an informative article on the topic The Roommate Gap: Your City’s Occupancy Limit Topher67 (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Undefined Groups in section "Functional zoning - categories"

In the section Functional zoning - categories, Groups R-1, R-2, R-4 or I are not defined. Can someone please define them. H Padleckas (talk) 05:31, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

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Zoning and Zoning district Merge Proposal

Hello Everyone,

I propose we merge the article Zoning district into the article Zoning as it relays some of the same or similar information and would be more appropriate as a subsection in the same article. One point to remember is that not all governments or areas use the term zoning districts. Some use the term simply 'zones', or refer to this data in past tense in the form that property is 'zoned' residential/industrial etc. It may be helpful to the casual reader to incorporate these topics together for common use/parlance. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 20:24, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, the student group that was assigned this topic agrees with merging the two. During the researching of this page, we questioned the relevance of writing on something so narrow so we have now begun to focus our intention on the 'single use zoning' page. Some content from this page will migrate over before we delete this page altogether so please wait until we have done so. Thank you. Jlfbrown (talk) 20:35, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello Jlfbrown,

I'm glad that you are interested in helping revise and edit urban planning wikipedia pages as not a lot of editors have the expertise or interest to do so. Please do not take offense regarding the merger proposal, it is intended merely to organize the material in which is most relevant to the reader as an encyclopedia. Per WP:NPOV we write for the lay person, not necessarily the professional or academic and so there is certainly room for discussion on how to better organize this domain specific materials. I would offer a suggestion that you undelete the material from Zoning District regarding Euclidean zoning and perform the merger of that content into this Zoning article as a subsection. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 05:31, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello Randomeditor1000,

The student group that was tasked with creating the zoning district page is underway with merging it with the zoning page. As urban planning students, we are of the mindset that the information we originally collected, will dovetail nicely throughout the zoning page. One particular section that we will amend is on Euclidean Zoning. On this note, the dedicated page to Single-Use Zoning could also potentially be merged to the Zoning page. Just a thought for the future. Also, if you could provide advice on what to do with the zoning district page once it has been stripped of it's content, that would be much appreciated. Jlfbrown (talk) 23:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Functional zoning - categories

Hello everyone,
Reading though the content, I would suggest the functional zoning categories section. It's a bit early in the article to start introducing categories as well it's North American centric. Also it becomes a bit redundant... the information could get merged into the North American section. If no one objects I may go ahead and make these changes in a few days. Meghan murray902 (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Grandfathering

I just pulled the discussion of "grandfathering" in the Atlanta billboard case. While grandfathering has some tangential relevance here, it is a general topic well covered in other discussions of the law. The text came across as a distraction in this discussion of zoning. (Of course, it didn't help that the example used language such as "eyesore" - pretty clear that this would be very hard example to use and still stick to our NPOV policy. Rossami (talk) 15:35, 6 November 2003 (UTC)