Talk:Zvi Sukkot
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editUser:Number 57 can you please explain this revert (and your other one)? Your edit summaries are not clear. I have no idea what Nick Griffin has to do with any of this. Looks like you're just removing well sourced information.Volunteer Marek (talk) 17:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- I removed it because it's doesn't seem to be an appropriate introductory sentence; the sourcing is irrelevant. I highlighted Nick Griffin because that is a Good Article and an example of a suitable way of starting an article on a leader of a far-right/racist party. Number 57 17:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- Can you explain WHY it "doesn't seem to be an appropriate introductory sentence"? I still have no idea what Nick Griffin has to do with any of this. Also, when was Nick Griffin listed as GA? Not that it's relevant.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- Basically because it looks as if you're forcing in these terms to make a point about the subject. Regarding what Griffin's article has to do with this, I can only assume you're playing dumb, as what I've said is patently clear. I don't know when it was listed as a GA, but it has the GA sign in the top corner of the article. Number 57 18:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- "Looks like" isn't wikipedia policy. And it's not "a point" I'm making about the subject, it's a point the reliable sources make about the subjects. And no, I'm not "playing dumb" and no it is not clear what the relevance to Nick Griffin is. I'll tell you what the difference is though. Most of our readers have heard of the BNP, just like most of our readers have heard of the KKK and already know it's nature. This is not true for OY, so the clarification is more warranted here than in Nick Griffin's article, whatever other similarities you think may exist.Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think you're making some big assumptions there. Anyway, by all means start an RfC if you want wider opinions on the wording and consensus for change. Number 57 20:58, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- What are these "big assumptions" I'm making? You keep making vague, unsupported statements ("it's not appropriate", "sourcing is irrelevant" (WHAAA?), "something something Nick Griffin", "it looks like", "it's patently clear", "big assertions"). But at no point do you actually articulate and explain what your objection is. Look. You're an administrator. You SHOULD know that you have to provide policy based reasons for reverting. I got them (relevant, notable and well sourced info of interest to potential readers). You don't. And refusing to actually state what your objections are, and then resorting to the "you need consensus" gambit is most certainly conduct unbecoming. Please actually explain and make an argument.Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:49, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think you're making some big assumptions there. Anyway, by all means start an RfC if you want wider opinions on the wording and consensus for change. Number 57 20:58, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- "Looks like" isn't wikipedia policy. And it's not "a point" I'm making about the subject, it's a point the reliable sources make about the subjects. And no, I'm not "playing dumb" and no it is not clear what the relevance to Nick Griffin is. I'll tell you what the difference is though. Most of our readers have heard of the BNP, just like most of our readers have heard of the KKK and already know it's nature. This is not true for OY, so the clarification is more warranted here than in Nick Griffin's article, whatever other similarities you think may exist.Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- Basically because it looks as if you're forcing in these terms to make a point about the subject. Regarding what Griffin's article has to do with this, I can only assume you're playing dumb, as what I've said is patently clear. I don't know when it was listed as a GA, but it has the GA sign in the top corner of the article. Number 57 18:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- Can you explain WHY it "doesn't seem to be an appropriate introductory sentence"? I still have no idea what Nick Griffin has to do with any of this. Also, when was Nick Griffin listed as GA? Not that it's relevant.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 January 2023
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Change "Zvi Sukkot is an Israeli activist, and the Executive Director of the far-right Otzma Yehudit party." to "Zvi Sukkot is an Israeli activist, and the former Executive Director of the far-right Otzma Yehudit party."
Sukkot is no longer the Executive Director of the Otzma Yehudit party. See the party's About Us section on its website (in Hebrew) here. The current Executive Director is Yitzchak Wasserlauf. This has already been updated in Sukkot's Hebrew Wikipedia page. פלטיהו (talk) 16:25, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: please provide reliable secondary sources that back these claims. Colonestarrice (talk) 09:50, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Change to introduction
editZvi Sukkot (or Succot) is described always as a "far-right lawmaker" by Israeli press, including right-leaning newspapers such as The Jerusalem Post and Yediot Ahronot. Sources: Haaretz ; The Jerusalem Post, Times of Israel, YNet (Yediot Ahronot), The Jewish Independent, etc.
So, I would ask to please change the first sentence, from "Zvi Yedidia Sukkot (born 3 October 1990) is an Israeli activist and politician currently" to "Zvi Yedidia Sukkot (also spelled Succot; born 3 October 1990) is an Israeli far-right activist and politician currently..." 2A02:14F:178:6BB1:C05E:F591:B9AA:6871 (talk) 08:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)