Template:Did you know nominations/Abraham Lincoln (Healy)

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 13:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln (Healy)

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... that Robert Todd Lincoln declared of George Peter Alexander Healy's portrait of Abraham Lincoln (pictured) that he had "never seen a portrait of [his] father which is to be compared with it in any way"?
... that Robert Todd Lincoln declared of George Healy's portrait of Abraham Lincoln (pictured) that he had "never seen a portrait of [his] father which is to be compared with it in any way"?

ALT1: ... that George Peter Alexander Healy's portrait Abraham Lincoln (pictured) was based on his earlier work, The Peacemakers?
ALT2: ... that George Peter Alexander Healy's portrait Abraham Lincoln (pictured) hangs in the State Dining Room of the White House?
ALT3: ... that Robert Todd Lincoln purchased George Peter Alexander Healy's portrait, Abraham Lincoln (pictured)?

Reviewed: Sabri al-Asali
Comment: I'd like this to be kept in the special holding area for Lincoln's Birthday. Do you think this (and the other) should go on Feb. 12 (actual, a Sunday) or Feb. 13 (observed, a Monday)?[1]

Created/expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self nom at 21:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

The first hook is too long at 250 characters. All the hooks check out in terms of verified content. At 1600 characters the article barely qualifies for length. I'd rate it a stub, but somebody else has rated it start. Picture almost shows up adequately at 100 X 100 px. Most importantly, however, I think this is plagiarism by close parallelism with the source http://www.whitehousehistory.org/whha_about/whitehouse_collection/whitehouse_collection-art-05.html Many sentences have the same sentence structure, though a word has been substituted here and there. Smallbones (talk) 01:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm. I thought I was using different enough language to not be plagiarizing, but I will edit it to make sure it's not closely paralleling the source. I'll see what else I can add to the article's content, which I do believe is a start. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:04, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
- Okay. I've expanded the article a little (it's over 1800, and I think start-class). That's not so important though; it's over 1500 and I've had DYKs promoted with fewer prose characters than this. As for the hook length, how do you get 250? Does that count the wikimarkup? I don't think that is supposed to count towards the limit. I've shortened it a bit (sources do refer to the artist as "George Healy"), plus I have 2 alts, and added a third. As for the plagiarism, there were a few phrases that overlapped too much, so I have fixed that.[2] – Muboshgu (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

OK - I may be a bit tougher than most on close parallelism - thanks for fixing it. 1st hook is the best IMHO and is now 186 characters (not sure how 250-17 ?=? 186). I'd suggest a bit more content, but no reason for me to be a tough guy on 3 different things! Smallbones (talk) 03:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, it made the page stronger. I'll be sure to add content to the page as I research it further. As for timing, I still hope this can go up around Lincoln's birthday, but perhaps in a different queue than Abraham Lincoln's Lyceum address. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)