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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 18:40, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Alessandra Marianelli

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  • Comment: Draft moved into article space via Articles for Creation on 20 March 2014 [1]. The hook and its reference are in sentence 4 of the "Life and career" section. The supporting citation is in Italian: "proprio con la Barbarina delle Nozze di Figaro ha debuttato da professionista, a Pisa nel 2002". Translation: "it was as Barbarina in The Marriage of Figaro that she made her professional debut in Pisa in 2002" In the same source, dated 2010, it gives her age as 25, i.e. a birth date of 1986.

Created by Lisaby (talk). Nominated by Voceditenore (talk) at 21:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC).

  • Long enough and new enough, no copyvio found, well cited throughout. The citation for the hook says what Voceditenore tells us, but the fact which has been drawn from it for the hook relies on slightly shaky arithmetic. If Marianelli was 25 at some point in 2010, then eight years earlier she was seventeen. From what we have, at the time of her debut she could have been 16 or 17, but not 18, given that another source tells us she was "una ragazzina di quindici anni" during 2001. Could we please have an Alt which is firmly based on the sources? Moonraker (talk) 20:04, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
I see what you mean, Moonraker. The singing competition was in May 2001 and a bit more snooping finds that the Marriage of Figaro performance was in October 2002. So she could have had her 17th birthday between May and October. How about one of these?
Supported by the same reference as the original hook.
  • ALT2 * ... that aged 15 and never having seen a live opera, Italian soprano Alessandra Marianelli placed second in the Cascinalirica singing competition and made her professional opera debut the following year?
This one is likewise supported by the same reference but different sentence: "Quando, a quindici anni, Alessandra Marianelli è salita per la prima volta sul palcoscenico di Cascina a cantar la lirica, lei un' opera dal vivo non l' aveva mai vista in vita sua." (When at age 15, Alessandra Marianelli stepped onto the stage in Cascina to sing opera, she had never in her life seen a live opera.)
Voceditenore (talk) 08:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 and ALT2 are good to go. I prefer Alt2, but it is a bit long. Perhaps we could lose the words "Italian soprano"? ("Stepped" is a nice touch, Voceditenore, but you have left out "per la prima volta"!) Moonraker (talk) 09:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT3 * ... that aged 15 and never having seen a live opera, Alessandra Marianelli placed second in the Cascinalirica singing competition and made her professional opera debut the following year?
@Moonraker: This one is a shortened (perhaps a bit "punchier"?) version of ALT2. Voceditenore (talk) 10:38, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
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