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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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Alfred Verdross

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Alfred Verdross in 1927
Alfred Verdross in 1927

Created by Gitz6666 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Alfred Verdross; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - one question
QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Gitz6666: Good article. AGF on foreign sources. Though, should "After the end of World War II, Verdross continued his career without undergoing the denazification process." be cited? Also, should the hook just say nazism instead of national socialism since they mean the same thing? Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @Onegreatjoke: You are right on both accounts. I've just added a citation to support the that sentence ([1]) and I agree that "nazism" would be way better in the hook. --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 07:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
P.S. I'm having trouble replying to your comment. When I try, I get The "reply" link cannot be used to reply to this comment. To reply, please use the full page editor by clicking "Edit source" and when I use the page editor, for some reason I can't add my signature using the "Insert" button - I have to manually insert the four tildes. I just hope this isn't a problem and that you get my ping. --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 07:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Looks good now. Though, you're supposed to reply through source editing by default because that's what DYK does for some reason. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Struck ALT1. As I mentioned in my edit summary, it's way over the limit of 200 characters, and it hasn't been trimmed as I suggested. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:00, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
@Mandarax: for some reason I did not receive your notification and didn't notice your edit summary about trimming the alternative hook. Off the two hooks, the first one is perhaps the one I prefer, but I leave it up to you. The alternative hook could be shorten as follows

ALT2: ... that a renowned international lawyer and future judge of the European Court of Human Rights (pictured), was allowed to resume teaching law in Vienna in 1939 through the intervention of Nazi General Jodl?

--Gitz (talk) (contribs) 00:42, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
A third option, also intriguing, would be the following:

ALT3: ... that in 1937 Alfred Verdross (pictured), a renowned international lawyer and future judge of the European Court of Human Rights, sought to combine Nazi doctrine with Catholic-inspired universalism?

The source is this one [2] (at p. 418). But perhaps the first option is still the best, because it is the simplest:

ALT4: ... that in 1937 Alfred Verdross (pictured), a renowned international lawyer and future judge of the European Court of Human Rights, sympathized with National Socialism?

Please, you choose. --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 02:26, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
@Onegreatjoke and Mandarax: Any news about this nomination? I see that it is no longer listed in WP:DYKNOM --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 23:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
It's on the "Approved" page, so the first hook could be promoted at any time. If Onegreatjoke approves your other suggested hooks, they may also be considered for promotion. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
All the other hooks are fine. Onegreatjoke (talk) 04:01, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Great! Thank you for letting me know. --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 08:02, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Just copying Onegreatjoke's tick to make it easier for promoters to see the status. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Trying to figure out the very high Earwig score. Appears to be long titles and other unchangeable items. Also I do not see references for "renowned" - is it needed? Bruxton (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bruxton, I'm the author of the article. I'll try to help with the high Earwig score later, now I'm providing a few references and quotations on the "renowned" (which is not strictly necessary, but is informative and accurate).

  • Simma, Bruno (1995b). "The Contribution of Alfred Verdross to the Theory of International Law" (PDF). European Journal of International Law. 6 (1). Oxford University Press: 54. doi:10.1093/ejil/6.1.33. ISSN 0938-5428. As a judge of the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, he participated in the formative phase of the most advanced system for the protection of human rights worldwide. Within the German-speaking countries, Alfred Verdross shaped international legal thinking in a way unparalleled in the past and, almost certainly, also in the future. As such his work forms an influential part of the history of European legal and social thought of this century
  • Fillafer, Franz Leander; Feichtinger, Johannes (2019). "Natural Law and the Vienna School: Hans Kelsen, Alfred Verdross, and Eric Voegelin". In Langford, Peter; Bryan, Ian; McGarry, John (eds.). Hans Kelsen and the natural law tradition. Leiden and Boston: Brill. p. 448. doi:10.1163/9789004390393_014. ISBN 978-90-04-39039-3. OCLC 1085621405. S2CID 201402010. the uncrowned king of Austrian jurisprudence after 1945
  • Lingens, Karl-Heinz (2001). "Verdroß, Alfred". In Stolleis, Michael (ed.). Juristen. Eine biographisches Lexikon (in German). C.H. Beck. p. 649. ISBN 3406-45957-9. gehört zu den angesehensten Völkerrechtlern des 20. Jh.s. (is one of the most distinguished international lawyers of the 20th century)

--Gitz (talk) (contribs) 16:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I tweaked ALT0 to remove "renowned", discussion can take place at DYK talk if you want it included. I see no such similar adjectives in our article. Bruxton (talk) 16:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
  • ALT0a: ... that in the 1930s Alfred Verdross (pictured), an Austrian international lawyer and future judge of the European Court of Human Rights, sympathized with National Socialism? Bruxton (talk) 16:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Re copyvio, I'm not sure I understand how the Copyvio detector works. If I click on this source (67.8% similarity) the tool highlights the title of Verdross's works in pink: obviosuly the titles are identical, but the text is completely different (and the source is in French). The second source is in English and appears with a similarity of 55.1 %, but if I click on "compare" the tool says "0% similarity - violation unlikely". The third source is again in English, with a similarity of 42.5%; if I compare it, the pink text only consists of names of institutions (University of Vienna, etc.) and titles of journals and publications. The same applies to all other sources with the exception of this one, where the identical text is "Kelsen, who also worked as an editor", i.e., a minimal and accidental overlap, not a copyvio. Am I missing something? --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 16:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
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