- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 14:09, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Anoplotherium
Georges Cuvier's reconstruction of Anoplotherium commune.
- ... that in 1822, the Paleogene mammal Anoplotherium commune (pictured) was the first fossil species to be subjected to a brain cast study? Source: Paleoneurology of Artiodactyla, an Overview of the Evolution of the Artiodactyl Brain (pg. 2)
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- Comment: Apostrophes around species name indicates italics.
5x expanded by PrimalMustelid (talk). Self-nominated at 02:30, 1 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Anoplotherium; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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@PrimalMustelid: Good article, but I don't see exactly where it's stated that it's "one of the first" in the article (it's in the lead but I can't find it in the article itself).
- @Onegreatjoke I can remove "one of the first" and rewrite the sentence to "... that in 1812, the Paleogene mammal Anoplotherium commune was the subject of an anatomical reconstruction that since stood the test of time?" Does that work?
- @Onegreatjoke Replaced.
@PrimalMustelid: While in the article, that makes the hook a lot less interesting for me. So i'd recommend a new hook to be proposed. Also, pings do not work unless you sign your comments with "~ ~ ~ ~" (no spaces). Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Do you recommend that I stick to the historical aspects of Anoplotherium like in the previous article, or do you think I should focus on the paleobiological aspects of the genus (i.e. that A. latipes may have reached 3 m (9.8 ft) tall while standing bipedally?) PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PrimalMustelid: Anything that's interesting will work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:54, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: How about this fun fact?: "...that in 1822, the Paleogene mammal Anoplotherium commune was the first fossil species to be subjected to a brain cast study?" Source: Paleoneurology of Artiodactyla, an Overview of the Evolution of the Artiodactyl Brain (pg. 2)
- @Onegreatjoke: Forgot to sign my comment. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PrimalMustelid: that's a good idea for a hook, but I don't see it in the article. Can you share the quote that states this and if it isn't in the article could you add it in? Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Asssuming you mean the research article, on the very first paragraph of the "Historical background," Maeva Orliac et. al. state, "It is worth noting that the first definition of the endocranial cast was provided by Cuvier (1822) after an observation based on a natural endocast of an artiodactyl, Anoplotherium commune, from Montmatre gypsum. He wrote: '... it was moulded in the cavity of the skull; and as this cavity itself in the living animal was moulded on the brain, the clay necessarily represents the true shape of the latter…' Like many other mammalian groups, the first descriptions of artiodactyl endocranial casts mainly date from the second half of the 19th century and are based on natural endocasts. Like many other mammalian groups, the first descriptions of artiodactyl endocranial casts mainly date from the second half of the 19th century and are based on natural endocasts. Among them are included those of European cainotheriids (Gratiolet 1858) and ruminants (Gaudry 1873), North American oreodontids (Leidy 1869; Bruce 1883), and North African archaeocete whales (Gervais 1871)." PrimalMustelid (talk) 03:35, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Maybe the confusion is coming from the term "endocast," so I'll give another source for elaboration. In the thesis "Endocranial microtomographic study of marine reptiles (Plesiosauria and Mosasauroidea) from the Turonian (Late Cretaceous) of Morocco: palaeobiological and behavioral implications," the author wrote, "Thus, in 1804, Cuvier provided this first description of a natural endocast of Anoplotherium commune, an artiodactyl of the Late Palaeogene of France, from the gypsum quarries of Montmartre (Paris). The structure dorsally exposed in a broken skull provided an overview of the cerebral hemispheres (Fig. 3.1). Cuvier (1804) realized thus that casts of the brain cavity in fossil vertebrates could be informative concerning the external anatomy of the brain (Edinger, 1962)." PrimalMustelid (talk) 14:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PrimalMustelid: Sorry for the confusion! I meant that I can't where it states this in the Wikipedia Article and not that I don't see it in the source. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Ah, that's alright, I previously left most of that information in the Research history of Anoplotherium page, but I have accordingly edited the 2nd paragraph of the "Significance in palaeontological history" subsection to make it clear that its endocast description by Cuvier was the first. PrimalMustelid (talk) 20:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
I guess I can approve this now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:12, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Ah, that's alright, I previously left most of that information in the Research history of Anoplotherium page, but I have accordingly edited the 2nd paragraph of the "Significance in palaeontological history" subsection to make it clear that its endocast description by Cuvier was the first. PrimalMustelid (talk) 20:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PrimalMustelid: Sorry for the confusion! I meant that I can't where it states this in the Wikipedia Article and not that I don't see it in the source. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Maybe the confusion is coming from the term "endocast," so I'll give another source for elaboration. In the thesis "Endocranial microtomographic study of marine reptiles (Plesiosauria and Mosasauroidea) from the Turonian (Late Cretaceous) of Morocco: palaeobiological and behavioral implications," the author wrote, "Thus, in 1804, Cuvier provided this first description of a natural endocast of Anoplotherium commune, an artiodactyl of the Late Palaeogene of France, from the gypsum quarries of Montmartre (Paris). The structure dorsally exposed in a broken skull provided an overview of the cerebral hemispheres (Fig. 3.1). Cuvier (1804) realized thus that casts of the brain cavity in fossil vertebrates could be informative concerning the external anatomy of the brain (Edinger, 1962)." PrimalMustelid (talk) 14:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Asssuming you mean the research article, on the very first paragraph of the "Historical background," Maeva Orliac et. al. state, "It is worth noting that the first definition of the endocranial cast was provided by Cuvier (1822) after an observation based on a natural endocast of an artiodactyl, Anoplotherium commune, from Montmatre gypsum. He wrote: '... it was moulded in the cavity of the skull; and as this cavity itself in the living animal was moulded on the brain, the clay necessarily represents the true shape of the latter…' Like many other mammalian groups, the first descriptions of artiodactyl endocranial casts mainly date from the second half of the 19th century and are based on natural endocasts. Like many other mammalian groups, the first descriptions of artiodactyl endocranial casts mainly date from the second half of the 19th century and are based on natural endocasts. Among them are included those of European cainotheriids (Gratiolet 1858) and ruminants (Gaudry 1873), North American oreodontids (Leidy 1869; Bruce 1883), and North African archaeocete whales (Gervais 1871)." PrimalMustelid (talk) 03:35, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @PrimalMustelid: that's a good idea for a hook, but I don't see it in the article. Can you share the quote that states this and if it isn't in the article could you add it in? Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Forgot to sign my comment. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: How about this fun fact?: "...that in 1822, the Paleogene mammal Anoplotherium commune was the first fossil species to be subjected to a brain cast study?" Source: Paleoneurology of Artiodactyla, an Overview of the Evolution of the Artiodactyl Brain (pg. 2)
- @PrimalMustelid: Anything that's interesting will work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:54, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
