Template:Did you know nominations/Carrick, Tasmania

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The result was: promoted by Rcsprinter (chat) 16:56, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Carrick, Tasmania

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... that former Carrick resident Sammy Cox (pictured) made claims that would make him Tasmania's earliest European Settler?

Reviewed: The Shadow Walkers

Created/expanded by Peripitus (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

More than enough expansion; interesting, detailed history; attractively organized and illustrated. Hook interesting and cited, but perhaps the 'that would make him...' part needs another ref, so:
ALT1: ... that former Carrick resident Sammy Cox (pictured) claimed to be 117 years old?

5x expansion and dates check out. Article is thoroughly referenced (although I was annoyed at how much effort it took me to track down enigmiatic citations that refer to sources with names like "G.S.O.T") and I didn't detect evidence of plagiarism. The ALT1 hook checks out, and the original hook is largely (but imperfectly) supported by the statement that when he jumped ship in Van Diemen's Land, the island was "unoccupied by white men". Photo is plenty old enough to be public domain. However, I have some concerns about both hooks: this is hardly the only Carrick in the world so it needs disambiguation as "Tasmania", someone dead over a century should not be called a "former resident" (a term that implies that they moved out of town), and the old age by itself is a pretty boring fact. I suggest a revised hook:

ALT2 ... that centenarian Sammy Cox (pictured) of Carrick, Tasmania, may not have been as old as he claimed? --Orlady (talk) 04:06, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps though I do like the chutzpah of his claims.

ALT3 ... that centenarian Sammy Cox (pictured) of Carrick, Tasmania, claimed to have lived in Tasmania before European settlement? - Peripitus (Talk) 10:39, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

ALT2 is supported by sources cited in the article, but ALT3 is not. The article indicates, with support, that he said he arrived in 1789. It also states that the first recorded European settlement was in 1803, but there's no sourcing for that. Additionally, it's not correct to say that Cox claimed to live in Tasmania before European settlement; there's no indication that he made that specific claim, and since he was a European, his arrival presumably constituted "European settlement". I believe it would be valid (based on sources) to say that he "claimed to have lived in Tasmania with Aboriginals for more than two decades before meeting another white settler," but the current article doesn't actually say that. --Orlady (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2012 (UTC)