Template:Did you know nominations/Chanson à bouche fermée

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 07:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Chanson à bouche fermée

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Jehan Alain in 1938

~~... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a choral piece to be sung with closed mouth composed by Jehan Alain (pictured) in 1933, was published in 1989, edited by Marie-Claire Alain?~~ Source: several
- Reviewed: William Thomas (antiquary)
- Comment: He died young in World War II - speechless - his sister is a famous organist - would fit well in March

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:03, 4 March 2022 (UTC).

What strikes me as interesting is that it's a choral piece that is intended to be sung with a closed mouth. That's highly unusual and I think a hook that focuses on that aspect would be a compelling hook even for those uninterested in classical music. How about the following?

ALT1 ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a choral piece composed by Jehan Alain (pictured), is intended to be sung without text and with a closed mouth?

ALT2 ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a choral piece composed by Jehan Alain (pictured) and edited by his sister Marie-Claire, is intended to be sung without text and with a closed mouth?

ALT3 ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a 1933 choral piece composed by Jehan Alain (pictured) and later edited by his sister Marie-Claire, is intended to be sung without text and with a closed mouth?

ALT4 ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a 1933 choral piece composed by Jehan Alain (pictured) and posthumously published in 1989, is intended to be sung without text and with a closed mouth?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I tried to achieve the effect of it standing out by mentioning it early in the hook, knowing the attention span of the Main page readers, who may have lost interest by the history about his sister. Also: to mention first the publication more than half a century later, and then the intention, seems wrong chronology to me. I wonder if it's coincidence that the year Alain composed something speechless was when Hitler came to power, but so far couldn't find more about the background. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

In English, it's what we would call a punchline. The words that elicit the reaction are usually saved for the last, not for the middle. Similarly, in hooks, usually we put the main hook fact at the end at not the middle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, where I live most people would know what the title means without being told, so no surprise to hold to the end (+ I don't believe readers typically have patience to read it all until the end. - This is a serious work, nothing funny or punny, - it expresses the speechlessness well. The author died early in a war. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Approve Alt1 --evrik ^(talk) 03:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC) ALT1 to T:DYK/P2 without image