Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Rivers Ellet

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:58, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Charles R. Ellet

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Colonel Charles R. Ellet

• ... that Charles R. Ellet (pictured) was the third Ellet to lead the United States Ram Fleet, a Union brown-water navy unit which fought on the Mississippi River and tributaries during the American Civil War?
  • ALT1:... that Charles R. Ellet (pictured) ran two steam-powered ram ships, the USS Queen of the West and the USS Switzerland, past the batteries at Vicksburg, Mississippi during the American Civil War?
  • ALT2:... that at age nineteen, Charles R. Ellet (pictured) became one of the youngest colonels in the Union Army?

Improved to Good Article status by Dwkaminski (talk). Self-nominated at 17:34, 11 September 2020 (UTC).

I'd like to review this, but give me a bit of time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Interesting short life, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, and I would like to see it! - In the article, please format the ships' names as in the linked articles, consistently. I did it in the header. There are also some full stops duplicated, - we need only one, before a reference. Two (same) refs don't point to a citation, and I'm too tired to search, Milligan 1979. - All hooks have good aspects, but also problems. The original is too wordy about rivers, not his achievements. ALT1 would be fine without the ship links. ALT2 is stunning but could be at any time, no? Please supply more ALTs below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

• I debated adding "during the American Civil War" to ALT2 but it seemed redundant since the Union Army only existed during the Civil War.Dwkaminski (talk) 14:30, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT3:... that Charles R. Ellet (pictured) was the third member of the Ellet family to lead the United States Ram Fleet during the American Civil War?
  • ALT4:... that Charles R. Ellet (pictured) ran two separate steam-powered ram ships past the batteries at Vicksburg, Mississippi during the American Civil War? Dwkaminski (talk) 14:30, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

    Those two hooks work for me, and I accept the subscription sources AGF. (Remember that there are people around - including myself - who are foreigners and don't know details such as in which American army had what name ;) ) - Please fix the ship names, the punctuation and the ref, and we should be done. Great work to bring it to GA status! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

  • I believe the ship names are fixed. Please advise if you want to see them differently. Milligan Ref should be fixed now. I removed the duplicate full stops. Dwkaminski (talk) 14:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

    thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this to an image slot, but have some questions about the sourcing. His birthdate, for example, is only listed by Abbott as 1843; where did you get the full date? Please provide an inline cite for that, as well as his death date with an inline cite in the section "Death and legacy".
• I want to suggest a little more detail and links in the ALT4 hook, as follows:
• ALT4a: ... that 19-year-old Union Army colonel Charles R. Ellet (pictured) ran two separate steam-powered ram ships past the batteries at Vicksburg, Mississippi, during the American Civil War? Yoninah (talk) 20:25, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• I added snac reference showing June 1, 1843 as date of birth. His death date is referenced in Abbott page 312. The reference is after mention of his self injections of morphine.Dwkaminski (talk) 21:41, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Dwkaminski: thank you. But if he died on the night of October 16, why do you have his death date as October 29 in the lead? Please spell out the date of death in the Death and legacy section. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• I see the issue... I have updated his date of death to October 29, 1863 in all places. You can see in the image of his gravestone that he died October 29.Dwkaminski (talk) 12:35, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Dwkaminski: don't you have a better source than the gravestone? And October 29 doesn't appear at all in the footnote 1 that you added there. Yoninah (talk) 00:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Footnote 1 has a box to the right with "exist dates": Birth 1843-06-02, Death 1863-10-29Dwkaminski (talk) 12:07, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• Now I see it, thanks! Restoring tick per Gerda Arendt's review. Yoninah (talk) 14:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)