Template:Did you know nominations/Chestnut Street Opera House

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The result was: promoted by Launchballer talk 17:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Chestnut Street Opera House

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1880 sketch

... that the model movie theater at the Chestnut Street Opera House (pictured) in Philadelphia aimed to attract "the very best people" but closed within the year? Source: "Made for the Masses with an Appeal to the Classes": The Triangle Film Corporation and the Failure of Highbrow Film Culture https://www.jstor.org/stable/3661092
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Created by TSventon (talk) and 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by TSventon (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

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TSventon (talk) 15:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC).

New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Hook fact checks out. No textual issues. Ready to go. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment. I'm not sure being a short lived movie theatre is all that interesting or hooky. Here are a few alt hooks that I think are better. I also added a pic. @ Sammi Brie can ypu take a look at these please?4meter4 (talk) 12:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Alt1 ... that a contested will bequeathing the Chestnut Street Opera House (pictured) to the University of Pennsylvania became the subject of a court case before the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania?

Alt2 ... that the Chestnut Street Opera House (pictured) was bequeathed to the University of Pennsylvania to fund women's education?

Comment 4meter4 I was amused by "the very best people" in Alt0. I had something like Alt2 in mind in case an alt was needed. Alt1 could possibly be shorter, hopefully I got the legal jargon right. The picture is slightly skew, it would be nice to rotate it if it went to main page. TSventon (talk) 13:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon I like the quote too, I'm just not sure the fact is interesting enough by itself to get people to come to the article. They might mistakenly assume the theatre wasn't around for very long based on that short blurb. As for the image issue, if you look at the original much larger sketch, you'll see that the building is tilted, but I am not sure if this is because the artist drew it that way or because the artwork was creased/damaged. See: https://www.philadelphiabuildings.org/pab/app/im_display.cfm/502809?ProjectId=EBAD9819-D04B-4FB2-819CEF615254FC04 Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@4meter4, I was just giving my opinion, I am happy for Sammi Brie to choose whatever she likes. On the larger picture, the black border at the top slopes, which suggests that the scan could be skew, but damage could also be involved. TSventon (talk) 13:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Alt1a ... that a will bequeathing the Chestnut Street Opera House (pictured) to the University of Pennsylvania was contested at the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania?

It probably is a skew issue, probably for paper damage, which might be fixable especially for this crop. The image is acceptable in license. New ALT1 is fine (AGF). ALT2 is fine and checks out to source. I don't like the wording on ALT1 with "Pennsylvania" twice. 4meter4, I had to make a lot of small copy tweaks to the large addition that was made; you should read MOS:DATECOMMA. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Thank you for the copy edit. I appreciate your help. As for the wording... this isn't a case of improper word redundancy. There isn't a way to remove the word Pennsylvania as the proper names of both these organizations include that word. The University of Pennsylvania is the University of Pennsylvania, and the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania is the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. If we remove the word Pennsylvania from the university it could be any university rather than the well know Ivy League school. Likewise, if we remove it from the court, readers would likely assume it was the national Supreme Court and not a state Supreme Court. I don't see any way of rewording this without it ending up in Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors and loosing 'hookiness' for lack of a better word.4meter4 (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree—it's redundant and looks off but is needed to avoid obvious confusion. It's kind of why, if I were a promoter, I would skip it. But I want the promoter to choose the hook. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

That's fair. The wording may read awkwardly to some people even if it is technically a necessary redundancy. I personally would pick it anyway because I believe it is the most interesting fact (to me anyway) among the hook choices. I guess it depends on whether one prefers style or substance (not that the other hooks are lacking substantive value).4meter4 (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

The second "of Pennsylvania" could be moved to the start of the link and changed to "that state's".--Laun chba ller 17:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon and 4meter4: As written, this article would deserve {{very long section}}; I physically cannot read parts of it. I've already merged the Architecture bit into another section, but can some subheadings be added to this?--Laun chba ller 17:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

That's better. I'm going to approve the following ALT, per my suggestion above:

Alt1b ... that a will bequeathing the Chestnut Street Opera House (pictured) to the University of Pennsylvania was contested at that state's Supreme Court?--Laun chba ller 17:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)