Template:Did you know nominations/Circumferential Road 5–Kalayaan Avenue Interchange

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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Circumferential Road 5–Kalayaan Avenue Interchange

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... that despite the benefits it brought to Circumferential Road 5 (C-5) following its construction, motorists derisively called the C-5–Kalayaan Interchange (pictured) the "ninth and tenth wonders of the world"?

Reviewed: Hofileña Ancestral House

Created by Sky Harbor (talk). Self nominated at 22:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC).

Length, cites, hook and newness all good to go. Interesting too - doubled the speed along the line but everyone still hates it. How typical. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:52, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I've constructed an ALT hook that makes more sense. The point is that it is the two elevated U-turn slots that are the wonders:

ALT1: ... that despite the benefits brought to Circumferential Road 5 (C-5), motorists derisively called the elevated U-turn slots on the C-5–Kalayaan Interchange (pictured) the "ninth and tenth wonders of the world"?

I wouldn't mind going with this hook either. :) --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 23:13, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Um, what's a "U-turn slot"??? And it might make sense to tell readers where all this wonderment is going on... EEng (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Normally, it would link to Turnaround (road). In addition, I'm having issues trimming the hook down, as it's hard working against a 200-character limit here if the article name itself is so long. :\ --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 06:06, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I think "slots" confuses things, but there may be a problem of national idiom that can't be fully resolved. Anyway...

ALT2: ... that motorists derisively refer to the elevated U-turns on Metro Manila's C-5–Kalayaan Interchange (pictured) as the "ninth and tenth wonders of the world"?

So what would be the eighth wonder? Also, I think the article needs to explain how allowing motorists to go back the way they came can improve traffics speeds (indeed, why motorists would want to do that anyway). I'm assuming the answer has something to do with there not being the same set of on- and off-ramps in both directions etc. Or some weird variation on Braess' paradox? EEng (talk) 12:16, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

The construction of the elevated U-turn slots removes the need to maintain a four-way intersection, so the fact that now there are no more traffic lights controling traffic means that traffic in theory should be allowed to flow unobstructed. For example, if you were on Kalayaan Avenue and you wanted to go north on C-5, instead of waiting for the traffic light to turn green in order to make a left, now you'd have to turn right and go up the elevated U-turn to the other side of the road, with no traffic light blocking your way. That's what the MMDA told people before, but I'm still looking for sources to verify this. (Also, in the Philippines, our eighth wonder of the world is the Banaue Rice Terraces, hence why these U-turns are the ninth and tenth wonders of the world. :P) --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 00:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Re-iterating that this is ready to go. If we like ALT2 better, great, let's get this done. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:03, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

May I make a suggestion to the hook so that we can incorporate elements of both proposed hooks?

ALT3: ... that motorists derisively refer to the elevated U-turns on the C-5–Kalayaan Interchange (pictured) in Metro Manila as the "ninth and tenth wonders of the world" despite an improvement to traffic?

This sounds much better, if you ask me. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 05:37, 14 November 2014 (UTC)