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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
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Concerto for Piano and String Quartet (Busoni)
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Ferruccio Busoni in 1877
- ... that Ferruccio Busoni (pictured) composed his Concerto for Piano and String Quartet, a work of 20 minutes in four movements, at the age of twelve?
- Reviewed: Margareta Hallin
- Comment: for his 150th anniversary of birth on
101 April
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:23, 28 February 2016 (UTC).
New enough, nominated the day it was created. Is long enough at 2100+ characters. Article is written in a neutral fashion, neither unduly praising nor criticizing the work. Each paragraph is cited with an inline citation. No close paraphrasing or other copyvio issues detected. Hook is interesting, is not unduly negative, fewer than 200 characters, and directly attributable to an inline citation. QPQ has been completed. The image is free to use. I realize this is being nit-picky, but the article makes a claim in the lead ("the title under which it was published in 1978") which is not found in the article body nor tied to a source. In my opinion, the article would be improved by tying the "strings" work to this "strings quartet" work. It's in the source, no? Did Busoni conceive it as a work for either string quartet or string orchestra? An interesting article deserving of mainpage exposure. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you, - unfortunately I can't answer the last question, and that makes for ambiguity. The original title reads like string quartet to me, so do the four movements, which is also more feasible (to get the people to play) and more affordable than more (and I understand that the family was in constant monetary problems). Now there's a hint in the list of compositions#BV 80 of markings such as tutti and divisi in the score which make no sense for a quartet in the strict sense of one player at a part. Did he want a string orchestra? When? I don't know. - What can we do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:42, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Ah well, nothing about his intent unfortunately. All that is needed (as opposed to my wishlist) is that you source that the composition was first published in 1978 as a concerto for piano and string orchestra. I think one of your sources says this, but if I made that change, we'd have to get another reviewer now, wouldn't we?
78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Will try, but not the next thing on my list, - stay tuned. Do you have a "wish" for another composition as a birthday gift? DYK that I arrived at this one by chance, I got interested in "Stabat Mater", only to find out that he possibly destroyed it himself, after having conducted it in Graz, - which made the connection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Do you want me to do it, and then wait for another reviewer? All we need is a citation for the 1978 publication. Oh, wait, are two numbers transposed? Should that say 1987 in the lead paragraph? If so, then we're good! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:15, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Will try, but not the next thing on my list, - stay tuned. Do you have a "wish" for another composition as a birthday gift? DYK that I arrived at this one by chance, I got interested in "Stabat Mater", only to find out that he possibly destroyed it himself, after having conducted it in Graz, - which made the connection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Ah well, nothing about his intent unfortunately. All that is needed (as opposed to my wishlist) is that you source that the composition was first published in 1978 as a concerto for piano and string orchestra. I think one of your sources says this, but if I made that change, we'd have to get another reviewer now, wouldn't we?
- Thank you, - unfortunately I can't answer the last question, and that makes for ambiguity. The original title reads like string quartet to me, so do the four movements, which is also more feasible (to get the people to play) and more affordable than more (and I understand that the family was in constant monetary problems). Now there's a hint in the list of compositions#BV 80 of markings such as tutti and divisi in the score which make no sense for a quartet in the strict sense of one player at a part. Did he want a string orchestra? When? I don't know. - What can we do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:42, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Typo fixed, which is what caused the confusion. Claim in lead paragraph is now supported by article body, and said claim is inline cited to source. Good to go. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: - Gerda, his birthday is April 1, not April 10!! (Confirmed Oxford Music Online).-- Best, Smerus 14:57, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you, just in time to prevent an April Fool on 10 April ;)
- I think it would look rather out of place among April Fools hooks and would recommend not posting it on 1 April. Jolly Ω Janner 08:29, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- I agree. And it's a shame not to lead with this great image. @Gerda Arendt: can we run it on April 2, his 150th birthday plus one day? Yoninah (talk) 10:14, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- How about the day before, as for Sibelius? (So that readers notice that we didn't miss it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- Great idea. Yoninah (talk) 14:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I was about to promote this when I noticed that there is no ref for his being 12 years old in 1878. The main article about him also doesn't cite a birthdate. Yoninah (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- Would I have to cite one for Bach? I actually know no biography of a classical composer who has a ref for the birth date unless it's debated. If it's needed it'll have to wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- Well, do you have a cite for his being 12 years old when he composed this composition? Yoninah (talk) 14:40, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- Remembered where I read that, doubled, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- Great idea. Yoninah (talk) 14:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- How about the day before, as for Sibelius? (So that readers notice that we didn't miss it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- I agree. And it's a shame not to lead with this great image. @Gerda Arendt: can we run it on April 2, his 150th birthday plus one day? Yoninah (talk) 10:14, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- I think it would look rather out of place among April Fools hooks and would recommend not posting it on 1 April. Jolly Ω Janner 08:29, 27 March 2016 (UTC)