Template:Did you know nominations/Deborah Mowshowitz
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The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 12:06, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
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Deborah Mowshowitz
edit- ... that Columbia University professor Deborah Mowshowitz teaches introductory biology by having students solve famous historical problems?
Created by Astro interest (talk). Self nominated at 05:41, 6 February 2015 (UTC).
- Comment: reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Off Balance, awaiting comment. Astro interest (talk) 06:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Article is new enough and long enough. Edited to include sections. Lead is too short. It can be expanded with content from the rest of the article. Do we know her year or place of birth? Article is well referenced. Hook is correctly formatted and supported by an inline ref. AGF on the scientific detail. I detected no copyright violations or close paraphrasing. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- Hi. I didn't include sections originally because I didn't think the article was long enough to need them (and to avoid the short lead thing). However, I don't object to their inclusion if that is preferred. Unfortunately it is the case that many academics (except those who are well-known to the general public) are known only for their research and do not publicize personal details such as birthdate and birthplace, family, etc. I looked for that information in sources but wasn't able to find it; I can keep looking, or alternatively I can send her an email, but that may qualify as original research. Astro interest (talk) 16:39, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- No, we need it from a RS. It's OK without it, it just makes the article a little one-dimensional as it tells us nothing about the rest of her life. It will be good to go once the lead has been expanded to summarise the rest. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I will keep looking. In the meantime, is this article otherwise acceptable? Astro interest (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I will tick it once the lead is expanded (doesn't need much). There is no need to wait for the other things. Just add something if you can find it. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- It is done, though for such a short article, some of it is repetitive. I tried to avoid that where possible. Astro interest (talk) 22:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- It's supposed to be a summary of the main points of the rest of the article. It should contain nothing that is not in the body and for that reason no references. Can you adapt the lead a little please per MOS:LEAD? Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:51, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- I have moved the bit about the MOOC to the body. However, I believe an article of this length (especially one not likely to grow suddenly and significantly) is not well-served by the section-by-section organization. I have removed the references from the lead section, though I understand this is a matter of personal stylistic choice. Astro interest (talk) 02:05, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- A lead is essential to all articles above stub status. And the sections help the reader quickly navigate the article and show up areas of potential expansion. This article in fact easily falls into three clear sections which was how you wrote it. You just didn't put any headings in. Please refer to MOS Lead and the rest of the Manual of Style for more detail. (and try not to argue with the reviewer! They are just doing their job) Philafrenzy (talk) 10:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you! I'll keep that in mind. (and I wasn't arguing, merely expressing a difference of opinion ;) Astro interest (talk) 13:06, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have only recently learned the error of my own ways on this sort of thing and so have the zeal of the convert. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:29, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- A lead is essential to all articles above stub status. And the sections help the reader quickly navigate the article and show up areas of potential expansion. This article in fact easily falls into three clear sections which was how you wrote it. You just didn't put any headings in. Please refer to MOS Lead and the rest of the Manual of Style for more detail. (and try not to argue with the reviewer! They are just doing their job) Philafrenzy (talk) 10:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- I have moved the bit about the MOOC to the body. However, I believe an article of this length (especially one not likely to grow suddenly and significantly) is not well-served by the section-by-section organization. I have removed the references from the lead section, though I understand this is a matter of personal stylistic choice. Astro interest (talk) 02:05, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I will tick it once the lead is expanded (doesn't need much). There is no need to wait for the other things. Just add something if you can find it. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Ready. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I will keep looking. In the meantime, is this article otherwise acceptable? Astro interest (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
