Template:Did you know nominations/December 2013 Spuyten Duyvil derailment
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 11:59, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
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December 2013 Spuyten Duyvil derailment
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- ... that the recent derailment (pictured) in the Bronx of a Metro-North commuter train caused the first passenger deaths in the railroad's history?
- ALT1:... that the four deaths that occurred when a Metro-North train derailed (pictured) in the Bronx make it the deadliest rail accident to happen in New York City in two decades?
- Reviewed: Neighbours: The Explosion
- Comment: Failed ITN nom
Created by Mjroots (talk), XailR (talk), Joseph A. Spadaro (talk), and Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 06:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC).
- Question Why such a precise title? Was there another derailment at this station in 2013, preventing us from using "2013 Spuyten Duyvil derailment"? For that matter, was there another potentially notable derailment in another year at this station, preventing us from using "Spuyten Duyvil derailment"? This shouldn't hold up the nomination; a reviewer need not wait for a response or for me to be satisfied by the response. Nyttend (talk) 03:52, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- There was a freight derailment near the same site in July. One we don't have an article on yet, but should. See the "Requested Move" section of the talk page. Daniel Case (talk) 03:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
The article is new enough, long enough, and well cited. However, inline citations are needed to support the claims made in the first sentence of the "Aftermath" section, from which both hooks are derived. Image is PD, and QPQ has been done. DoctorKubla (talk) 10:12, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- All those claims are supported by the citation at the end of the sentence. I think most readers will understand this; requiring inline citations at the actual claims, especially when the same source is used, is citation overkill.
If you like, I'll put the quote from the article in the footnote so it appears in the rollover. Daniel Case (talk) 18:53, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand you. The sentence I'm talking about reads: "This is Metro-North's first accident involving passenger fatalities in its 30-year history, and its first accident in New York involving any fatalities since a 1988 collision in Mount Vernon that killed one crew member." The only citation given is an article from 1988, which obviously can't verify the claims made about this Metro-North incident. DoctorKubla (talk) 21:27, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry; upon further review I had been a little confused about which footnote was which. I added one to support the first half. However, the second half of the sentence, the one that has the citation about the 1988 accident, is not the same as the one in the second half of the sentence in the intro (which does have a cite). The former is referring to "New York" in the sense of New York state, not the city, which ALT1 clearly indicates. Daniel Case (talk) 03:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I missed that sentence in the lead. Okay, both hooks are now cited. I prefer the original (it's more short and snappy), but I'll leave it to the promoter's discretion. DoctorKubla (talk) 07:50, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry; upon further review I had been a little confused about which footnote was which. I added one to support the first half. However, the second half of the sentence, the one that has the citation about the 1988 accident, is not the same as the one in the second half of the sentence in the intro (which does have a cite). The former is referring to "New York" in the sense of New York state, not the city, which ALT1 clearly indicates. Daniel Case (talk) 03:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand you. The sentence I'm talking about reads: "This is Metro-North's first accident involving passenger fatalities in its 30-year history, and its first accident in New York involving any fatalities since a 1988 collision in Mount Vernon that killed one crew member." The only citation given is an article from 1988, which obviously can't verify the claims made about this Metro-North incident. DoctorKubla (talk) 21:27, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- All those claims are supported by the citation at the end of the sentence. I think most readers will understand this; requiring inline citations at the actual claims, especially when the same source is used, is citation overkill.
