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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:02, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Dolores Cabrera y Heredia

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Dolores Cabrera y Heredia
Dolores Cabrera y Heredia
  • ... that Dolores Cabrera y Heredia (pictured) was a Spanish Romantic poet and novelist whose poetry collection Las violetas referred to the evocative power of violets?Fernández-Xesta y Vázquez, Ernesto (2014). "Dos románticas pioneras y un mentor romántico, en Madrid: Gregorio Romero Larrañaga entre Dolores de Cabrera y Heredia y Paulina Cabrero Martínez" [Two Romantic Pioneers and a Romantic Mentor, at Madrid: Gregorio Romero Larrañaga as Nexus of Union Between Dolores de Cabrera y Heredia and Paulina Cabrero Martínez] (PDF). ARAMHG (in Spanish) (XVII): 145–213. Retrieved 2020-09-28.

Created by Nick Number (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 02:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC).

  • @SandyGeorgia: You said that, the text was "not verified by sources" and that there were "source-to-text integrity issues". Care to elaborate? @Nick Number: please take note. Also, I am posting this at GOCE. --evrik (talk) 03:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
  • I will try flagging them tomorrow while on a long drive home, but be forewarned ... typing on iPad from hotspot in car = many typos. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
  • With a quick look only ... What happened here seems to be a mixing up of sources between the original Spanish version and the translated English version, such that text is not found in the cited sources, but is found in other sources by tracing back to the Spanish version. The hook is not found in the cited source, nor is the year of her marriage, although that info is found in other sources cited as in the Spanish version. I have not yet found where she followed her husband to three locations named, but the hook is not correctly cited and all of this needs sorting. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
  • The evocative power of violets comes from this source: [1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
That source is cited after "She identifies that love with the flowers that give the work its title". If you think it's unclear, a second named ref could go after "whose aroma transported her to her childhood". Nick Number (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
The hook should be explicitly cited in DYKs, so that should be switched out, or both added. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
  • This source does NOT say she married in 1856;[2] it says she returned to Madrid in 1856, and there she married ... but this source says she married in 1856.[3].
Footnote 1 (cellit.es) supports that she returned to Madrid and married, and footnote 3 (ramhg.es) references the entire paragraph, including the marriage year. My thinking was that this was close enough in the text per WP:CITEFOOT, and that these facts aren't particularly contentious, but if you think it's unclear, a second named ref for ramhg.es could go after the first sentence. Things moved a little from the Spanish original because it didn't list her husband's death year, and its paragraph ends with "Este matrimonio fue apadrinado por los reyes", which is an expression I wasn't entirely clear on and omitted. Nick Number (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
The "apadrinado" means that the royals were godparents at their wedding ... godfathers in Spanish for a wedding is something similar to best man and maid of honor-- it would be interesting information to include, but I can understand leaving it out if we have to fudge to explain it. Another oddity is that one of those two sources says her date of death is not established, and yet it seems that it is. Yes, it is better to attach the specific citation to each piece cited, as I was initially doing a copyvio/close paraphrasing check, so getting to the exact citation is helpful! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
That is two mixed up sources, and I haven’t yet found the travel with her husband. That is all I have time for. The good news is I have not found copyvio or too close paraphrasing. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
The travel with her husband appears to have originally come from here (though it is not cited at that point in the Spanish original). I was leery of referencing a Wordpress post, even though this one does appear to be well written. It draws on the biography from El Correo de la Moda, but pages 261 and 262 of that, covering her life after 1850, are unfortunately missing from the online copy at BNE. Nick Number (talk) 15:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
With DYKs, the main issue is that the hook be cited, so Evrik should be sure to fix that piece as I noted above. Unless you can cite the business that she moved around with her husband, it would be best left off. I am unsure if you are saying there is a non-wordpress source that cites it, and I'm out of time on this particular review. Nice work, though! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Number: Can you please adjust the citations in the article? --evrik (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Nick Number, one thing you may find useful is to make use of the quote= paramater in the citation templates (along with the trans-title parameter for translation of titles) to single out the piece of the text from the source you are citing, to make it easier for WP:NONENG verification and copyvio check. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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