Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Peer

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Elizabeth Peer

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... that American journalist Elizabeth Peer was Newsweek's first female foreign correspondent, foreign bureau chief, and war correspondent?
ALT1: ... that American journalist Elizabeth Peer was Newsweek's first female foreign correspondent and foreign bureau chief?

Created by Mackensen (talk). Self-nominated at 22:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC).

Detailed, emotional life, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF. The hook is very factual, almost too much for my taste, but as you like it. - Article: it should be easy to fix the ref error. "Death": please repeat her accident, for people who don't read sequentially but jump to the spot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the review; I've made the change. Note that I'm still on the hook for a QPQ but I haven't completed it yet. I considered using the ashtray story in a hook but I didn't want to trivialize her life. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

thanks for pointing out the qpq need (I was so absorbed in the article that I forgot about that aspect), - look for my name, perhaps ;) - No trivia, I agree. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, got distracted by a bus crash: Joigny coach crash. Mackensen (talk) 12:58, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

restored after qpq --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

The article has no mention of the subject being the first female war correspondent for Newsweek, and does not even have the phrase "war correspondent" in it, except in the category area. There is also no inline citation at the end of the sentence verifying the subject as the first female foreign bureau chief for Newsweek. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:07, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

I'd forgotten DYK's uncommonly silly rule which leads to doubling up citations. I have copied the citation from the end of the paragraph to the middle. Regarding the war correspondent, the text states "she added another first in 1977 when Newsweek dispatched her to cover the Ogaden War between Ethiopia and Somalia." I think it's quite clear what this text means. I'd sooner alter the hook then mangle the text to force additional words where they don't belong. DYK shouldn't encourage people to write in unnatural ways. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

@Mackensen: I came along wanting to promote this, but I can't do so unless hook content is stated and verified in the article, with an inline citation to a reliable source at the end of the sentence that states the information (e.g. the part about being the first war correspondent). It's up to you to edit the article to make it compliant with the WP:DYKRULES. Otherwise, the hook likely won't be able to be on Main page. I didn't create the rules, but I have to abide by them. If you'd like, I can strike the initial hook and go with the alt you provided. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:39, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

No, let's go with the first hook. I've added a citation for the war correspondent role, linking back to her rejection over the Vietnam War. Sorry for being difficult this morning, and thanks for the review. Mackensen (talk) 12:52, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Good to go for either the hook or alt, per edits to the article. AGF about the offline source. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:59, 29 April 2016 (UTC)