Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Willing Powel

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Elizabeth Willing Powel

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Mrs. Samuel Powel by Matthew Pratt

... that it may have been Elizabeth Willing Powel (pictured) who asked Benjamin Franklin whether the United States was to be "a republic or a monarchy", to which he responded, "a republic, if you can keep it"?

Reviewed: Caroline Weber (author)

Created by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk) and GreenMeansGo (talk). Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk) at 21:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

I'm cautious about a definite DYK hook until the article is more complete. But this seems to be a clearly notable subject with plenty of easily available references. GMG ^talk 23:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Coffeeandcrumbs and GreenMeansGo, my review follows. epicgenius (talk) 17:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - The violations seem mostly to be quotes or proper nouns, but there are a few lowercase phrases that came up too, such as "sixth of eleven children" (I'm not going to really count that as a copyvio).

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - Let me know if either of you have another alternate hook.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: epicgenius (talk) 17:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo, while I like the hook, I am not married to it. Feel free to suggest something else. I will do QPQ in the next few days. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm content to polish a bit more. At least probably another day before I make up my mind. GMG ^talk 17:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs and GreenMeansGo: Great, let me know when you come up with another hook so I can review it. epicgenius (talk) 18:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Well, we could consider ALT 2: ... that George Washington commissioned a poem by Elizabeth Graeme Fergusson as a gift for Elizabeth Willing Powel on her 50th birthday?

Source 1: From George Washington to Elizabeth Powel...on her Birth Day of Fifty Years...in the handwriting of the poet Elizabeth Graeme Fergusson[1]
Source 2: There are also several poems written to Elizabeth Powel, another female friend of George Washington's. One of these was commissioned by Washington as a birthday gift for Powel, and thus it was a gift from two of Powel's friends. It also conveyed Washington's respect for Fergusson's poetic talents, making the gift also a tribute to Fergusson.[2]

But I don't know that it's quite as exciting as the Franklin quote. GMG ^talk 14:11, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo, I think we are ready to move forward. QPQ is done. Epicgenius, please review both hooks and lets see what happens. Her birthday is coming up on February 21. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I'll check this tomorrow. epicgenius (talk) 01:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Coffeeandcrumbs and GreenMeansGo: I suppose either ALT0 (original hook) or ALT2 is OK. ALT0 has a weird wording but is still interesting. ALT2 is more straightforward. epicgenius (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)