Template:Did you know nominations/George Beauchamp (RMS Titanic)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:51, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

George Beauchamp (sailor)

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George W. Beauchamp in April 1912 (circled one)

... that George Beauchamp survived both the sinking of the RMS Titanic and RMS Lusitania?

Source:

Austin, Henry (April 23, 2019). "The extraordinary story of sailor who survived both Titanic and Lusitania disasters". No. Titanic. Independent.co.uk. Independent.co.uk. Retrieved May 21, 2019.

Articles that provide the sourcing

Reviewed: WWE 24/7 Championship

Created by LLcentury (talk). Self-nominated at 13:22, 21 May 2019 (UTC).

The hook & references look fine. The picture is in the public domain. However, the picture seems to be of a different man. The references provided both show the same picture, but they circle the man to the left of the one showcased in the Wikipedia picture. If the Commons picture is in the public domain due to age of picture, then I would think the picture in the Independent would be as well? Either way, can you address this? QuakerSquirrel (talk) 14:29, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Hi! Thanks for your review, I've changed the pic and clarified who he was. Check it please. Thank you again. --LLcentury (talk) 14:54, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Looks good. New picture is in public domain due to age of picture. Approved. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 15:11, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Comment I moved the page to draft space because of the inadequate sourcing; then it turned out that most of it was copied from here. Please note: that is not a WP:RS; nor is The Sun, a tabloid rag; nor – obviously – is a Google search. Suggest putting this on hold until problems are resolved. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I am trying to assist the nominator but lack experience with the reliability of references. What makes Encyclopedia Titanica an unreliable source? Thanks. Jmar67 (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi fellow Wikipedians, I've re-written the article and done my best, nothing more could be found about him. Still need help citing a book. Thanks! Best wishes! --LLcentury (talk) 01:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

QuakerSquirrel, Hi! fortunately we've worked hard to un-drafft the article, does it still meet criteria for DYK? Best wishes. --LLcentury (talk) 18:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@LLcentury: I think Justlettersandnumbers will have to weigh in on this & make a decision. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 22:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

QuakerSquirrel I am making progress, adding more sources, already added more sources please check it anyone who wishes to do so. Also, see the talk page I expressed something I would like an admin to read. Best wishes.--LLcentury (talk) 22:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Comment Jmar67, I believe that encyclopedia-titanica.org is not a reliable source by our standards because – like Wikipedia – it consists of user-submitted content; I'd welcome comment on that evaluation. If I'm right, then neither would sources such as www.operahouseplayers.org and wrecksite.eu, which draw their text or content straight from it, be considered reliable. In any case, I believe this nomination should be put on hold until the problems in the article have been sorted out (the questionable sourcing, the discrepancies in the various dates for his birth and death, the questionable text–source integrity). QuakerSquirrel, that's just my recommendation, not a "decision" – you're the one reviewing the nomination!

The proposed hook is not supported by the reference (The Independent), which at no point states that he was on the Lusitania; rather, it is careful to state that his family have claimed that he was there, which of course is not at all the same thing. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:15, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, Hi friend, no problem, undo this DYK nomination since I can't find more reliable sources. I am abandoning editing the article because it's making me go crazy LOL. Thanks for your patience towards me. LLcentury (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

LLcentury has asked that the DYK nomination be closed, and I now agree with that. I should have noticed that the article from the Independent only stated that family claimed he was on the Lusitania. Sorry for that miss. Although this passenger list does not show the original manifest, it lists a Lusitania passenger as William Beauchamp. Although listed as British, his residence is listed as Otsego, USA. The Lusitania passenger is also listed as 36 years old. By listed birth date George William Beauchamp would have been 27. Thus, I don't think this claim is reliable until someone can find the original Lusitania passenger manifest and show reasonable evidence that George William Beauchamp was on it. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 15:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)