Template:Did you know nominations/Gertrude Foster Brown

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 09:37, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Gertrude Foster Brown

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Gertrude Foster Brown

• ... that ... Gertrude Foster Brown published Your Vote and How to Use It (1921) after the passage of national women's suffrage? Source: "Following the national passage of women's suffrage in 1920, she wrote Your Vote and How to Use It, published by Harper's the next year." (NPR)
• ALT1 ... that ... Gertrude Foster Brown encouraged women to exercise their new ability to vote in her book Your Vote and How to Use It (1921).

• Reviewed: Gisèle Rabesahala, Mary Chase Walker, Inès de Bourgoing, Air-Cobot
• Comment: This would be a particularly timely hook for election week, prior to November 8 (U.S. Election Day).

Created by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Self-nominated at 02:43, 1 November 2016 (UTC).

• The article is new: Y
• The article is long enough: Y
• The hook is interesting: Y
• The hook is referenced: Y
• The hook is below 200 characters: Y
• A google search does not reveal any copyright violation: Y
• The article follows most other important policies: Y
• QPQ: Y
• Article is good to go. Cambalachero (talk) 18:15, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• I just looked at the original book, and discovered a discrepancy with the primary source that invalidates the first two hooks which were based on the secondary sources. The published book is dated 1918 and supported by internal statements on page 78 as having been written at that time. Later secondary sources appear to have the dates of composition and publication wrong. This affects both the Harvard papers biography and the NPR article which wrote "Following the national passage of women's suffrage in 1920, she wrote Your Vote and How to Use It, published by Harper's the next year." NPR The error makes sense if they assumed that composition followed the national amendment date (1920) rather than the New York suffrage date (1917). Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

• I've rephrased the hooks and the page to reflect the new information, and flagged this for re-review. Many apologies for not catching it earlier. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

• ALT3 ... that ... Gertrude Foster Brown encouraged New York women to exercise their new right to vote in her 1918 book Your Vote and How to Use It? Source: "Through four years of continuous intensive educational work in the State the [New York] Woman Suffrage Party"... hopes to encourage them [women] ... "to regard their vote as a trust to be used..." Brown, Gertrude Foster (1918). "Preface". Your vote and how to use it, pp. xix.

• A more independent citation: "Your Vote and How to Use It". The Oregon Daily Journal. Portland, Oregon. March 17, 1918. p. 52. states (corrected OCR) "Your Vote and How to Use It is the title of the book by Mrs. Raymond Brown, published by the Harpers. Your Vote and How to Use It answers all the questions which women who are to use the vote for the first time are asking. Mrs. Raymond Brown is one of the most active and important woman suffrage leaders and is chairman of organisation of state forces of the New York state Woman Suffrage party." Quote indicates that Brown is active in New York State and that the book about using your vote is targeted at first time women voters. De Lima references the same context, describing herself as one of the new woman voters affected by the passage of women's voting rights in New York (which occurred on November 6th 1917).

• ALT4 ... that ... Gertrude Foster Brown published Your Vote and How to Use It (1918) in anticipation of the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution? Source: "The National Amendment for Woman Suffrage: An amendment to the Federal Constitution is pending which provides that the right to vote shall not be denied on account of sex." Brown, Gertrude Foster (1918).Your vote and how to use it, pp. 78.

• Either ALT3 or ALT4 would work, but I would go with ALT4 as it has links to the 19th Amendment page, which gives viewers another link to read and learn. I second the idea that this DYK is highly timely for US Election Say on November 8th. Dorevabelfiore (talk) 20:08, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but see that ALT3 and ALT4 are cited to the book itself. It would be better to have these assertions come from an independent source; otherwise it looks like OR. Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Oh drat, I hadn't realized that citing the original book would cause an issue for the hooks. Every DYK is a chance to learn something new :-) I've added a couple of citations in support of ALT3 (see above) and cited the copyright renewal records to confirm the date of publication. It's hard to find an independent source for ALT4 because it's about her intentions, I'm fine if you prefer to strike it as a hook. Many thanks, Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:36, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you for the fixes. Offline ALT3 hook ref AGF (though the author has provided the text of the source in the footnote) and cited inline. Rest of review per Cambalachero. I tweaked ALT3 slightly. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 09:31, 7 November 2016 (UTC)