Template:Did you know nominations/Ginbuna

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Ginbuna

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... that some forms of ginbuna practice a type of asexual reproduction known as gynogenesis, in which the male sperm contributes no genetic material, but its presence is required for the female to develop eggs? Source: Murakami, et al. 2001
- ALT1:... that the discovery of ginbuna in Lake Tahoe in 2018 was the first time that that fish species was found in the United States? Source:"Specimens representing a third species, previously unknown in North America, were collected in western North America. ...four specimens from Lake Tahoe in California, shared the same Carassius langsdorfii haplotype." Halas, et al. 2018

Reviewed: NMS Regina Maria

5x expanded by Glorioussandwich (talk). Self-nominated at 04:37, 27 November 2018 (UTC).

@Glorioussandwich: I'll review this one. It passes newness, length, neutrality, and use of citations. QPQ is done.
harder to check copyright violations without links to any sources (is there a reason you didn't include any DOIs? I'm assuming this is an oversight and will go about adding them.) Will spot check and check image licensing later.
Hooks are properly formatted. I would suggest explicitly saying that ginbuna is a fish, though, perhaps?
I think ALT0 is more interesting but I'm also assuming gynogenesis is uncommon.
Umimmak (talk) 02:15, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing. I will add DOIs. I added the word fish to ALT1 but couldn't work it into ALT0 without making it sound weird. And yes, gynogenesis is quite uncommon in vertebrates. Glorioussandwich (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

@Glorioussandwich: I've already added DOIs so you don't need to worry about that. To update the review, image is appropriately licensed, hooks are stated clearly in article with inline citation. No apparent issues with copyright violations with Earwig or spotchecks. And yeah I agree that it's awkward to just put "fish" in ALT0. How do you feel about:

ALT2: ... that some forms of ginbuna, a species of fish, practice a type of asexual reproduction known as gynogenesis, in which the male sperm contributes no genetic material, but its presence is required for the female to develop eggs?

ALT3: ... that some forms of ginbuna carp practice a type of asexual reproduction known as gynogenesis, in which the male sperm contributes no genetic material, but its presence is required for the female to develop eggs?

But overall I approve. Umimmak (talk) 03:18, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Both sound good to me, with a slight preference for the flow of ALT3. Glorioussandwich (talk) 03:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Noted, just for the benefit of whoever adds it to the queue, I've struck out the other alts. Umimmak (talk) 03:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I have come across to promote but one source is a deadlink and the other gives me a time out. Could you find another url replacement or something @Glorioussandwich:? Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 08:52, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vincent60030: ref [3]’s DOI just worked for me and while the DOI for [12] seems to be dead atm, the [URL https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1444-2906.2002.00528.x] still works. Typically the URL is redundant with the doi but I guess it could be added alongside |url-access=subscription and |doi-broken-date=. Not sure what Glorioussandwich wants to do, though. Umimmak (talk) 13:46, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Umimmak: I checked the first reference it doesn’t exclusively say they carry out this sort of reproduction. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 13:52, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

I’m confused, isn’t this sufficient? the ginbuna and also the nagabuna have two different reproductive modes, namely gynogenesis practiced by the polyploid form, which is mostly triploid and rarely tetraploid and usual bisexual reproduction by the diploid form (Kobayasi, 1971; Kobayasi and Ochi, 1972). Neither the hook nor the arcticle say this is the exclusive form of reproduction they engage in. Umimmak (talk) 13:57, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Umimmak: oops I think ~~my mobile browser didn't show the results~~ I don't have access to the full version. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 13:59, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vincent60030: but ref [3] isn't paywalled? Hence the |doi-access-free=. Umimmak (talk) 14:06, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Umimmak: looks like I need to register Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 14:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vincent60030: Just to clarify you can't see this PDF? I realized there might be confusion because there are two references being discussed. Umimmak (talk) 14:10, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Umimmak: Yes it gives me a timeout. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 14:18, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vincent60030: okay thanks. Strange... I wonder if the |doi-access= should be changed to reflect that not everyone can access it for free without registering or if this is just a temporary issue. Umimmak (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vincent60030:@Umimmak:Never intended to give the impression that gynogenesis is the exclusive form of reproduction for this species, some forms of the species definitely reproduce sexually. ref [3] is working fine for me without timing out. Maybe it was a temporary issue? Let me know if there is anything else I can address.Glorioussandwich (talk) 18:30, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Restoring tick. Citation is adequate even if link does not work. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)