Template:Did you know nominations/Guilden Morden boar

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:28, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Guilden Morden boar

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Guilden Morden boar

• ... that the Guilden Morden boar (pictured) could have adorned a helmet worn by Beowulf?
  • ALT1:... that the Guilden Morden boar could have adorned a helmet worn in Beowulf?

Foster 1977a: ".It is possible that the Guilden Morden boar is also from a helmet, as the pin and socket in its legs may suggest. It would then be another example of the well-known Germanic tradition, evidenced by various references in Beowulf, of boar figurines as helmet crests."

• ALT2:... that a "doubled-up skeleton" (pictured)was found with the Guilden Morden boar? Foster 1977b: "The paper states that these finds were 'all found in a grave with a doubled-up skeleton'."
• ALT3:... that the Guilden Morden boar could have been shorn from a helmet by a "gleaming blade slathered in blood"? Source: Heaney 2000 for quotation, half a dozen references in article for parallels with Beowulf.
• Reviewed: Paapa Yankson

5x expanded by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 21:54, 24 July 2017 (UTC).

Substantial facts, on excellent sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and clarifies what it is. I added "pictured" to the first hook. Please copy to all other active proposals. - Thank you for supplying many choices. I am no friend of "could have", sorry. Can you word differently that something like this boar is mentioned in the poem? Don't be too sure that readers will know who Beowulf is, and if they don't know, mentioning him doesn't make the hook attractive. I find the "doubled-up skeleton" most interesting, however - even after reading - don't know what that is ;) - Article: I am used to the lead a summary of what comes in detail, no sources needed for things referenced later. A quotation, however, would need a source, such as "doubled-up skeleton". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

ALT4: ... that the Guilden Morden boar (pictured) adorned a helmet like those worn by the poetical warrior Beowulf?

ALT4 is another take on ALT0, gets rid of "could have" and adds a description of Beowulf. I'd also be completely happy with ALT2 ("doubled-up skeleton") instead, however: whatever you prefer. (I presume "doubled-up skeleton" means a skeleton in fetal position, but it is never clarified beyond that sketch from 1882–83.)

To clarify re: the article, are you suggesting taking out the citations beyond the one supporting the quotation? --Usernameunique (talk) 20:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I like ALT4! - The lead - not a requirement, just a suggestion - is not there yet, - what we have there reads more like a section "Description". Perhaps write a summary? Otherwise just leave it but duplicate the ref right after the quotation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Sounds good, thank you! I've revised and shortened the lead to make it more concise and remove the overly technical details. Hopefully that's what you had in mind. (Kept the lead citations for personal preference, as I'd rather over- than under-cite.) --Usernameunique (talk) 21:36, 1 August 2017 (UTC)