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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hail, America
edit... that, after Jimmy Carter abolished the performance of "Hail, America" at White House events, a "very confused" cat named Misty Malarkey Yin Yang (pictured) stood-in for the president's ceremonial military escort?
*ALT1 ... that this year is the 100th anniversary of the composition of "Hail, America"?- ALT2 ... that 2017 is the 100th anniversary of "Hail, America", composed by the Palatinate-born George Drumm?
- Reviewed: Clarence A. Shoop
Created/expanded by DarjeelingTea (talk). Self-nominated at 09:25, 25 January 2017 (UTC).
You got me interested in the topic, but before I can review, I need to understand a few things. The piece is a march, right, to be played by brass, not a song, to be sung by a human voice? Why do you use {{infobox song}}? We have {{infobox musical composition}}. I'd say it doesn't even belong in any song category. - Images: I am trained old style, no image left under a header, person should look "in", chronology, no images on both sides squeezing text. - Links: do we need US government? (especially when the ceremony should be the focus). - Refs: I don't appreciate four for one fact. Pick the most relevant 1 or 2 for it, and place the others somewhere else. - Finally: the whole story about the cat (which is hard to see on the image) belongs in an article about the cat ;) - I'd prefer a hook about the music and its use to what happened when it was not used. - What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks much for this thorough review, Gerda Arendt. I think I've incorporated all your edits, as well as proposed an Alt hook, but let me know if I missed something. DarjeelingTea (talk) 23:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for listening, - the greatest gift, as I said on my talk page ;) - The ALT is more to my liking. How about dropping the link to the year, because we don't want readers to go there and stay because it's interesting reading. I suggest plain "... that 2017 is". Now the title doesn't tell that it's more than some American patriotic song, which might leave foreigners like myself cold. Say a bit more but after the title. Use as Presidential Entrance March should somehow go to the infobox, best with years. If there's no good parameter yet, we should make one. Or how about the second (neutral) image there, with a caption that mentions the music not the man (who is not seen), but perhaps a date? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt - I think I've incorporated all these changes, but let me know if I missed something. DarjeelingTea (talk) 23:40, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, I made one more change to image placement, and changed a fixed image size to an upright, which reflects users' preferences. Sorry, I have another concern: "Presidential Entrance March", says the article, is the name of the ceremony. Who says so? I'd think "Presidential Entrance" might be the name of a ceremony, and the march played for it. Any source for the ceremony known as march? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, thanks very much - I've made this change. DarjeelingTea (talk) 02:49, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for changing march to entrance. Now please just one source naming it so. You gave an offline one that I can't see, but if it's really known as such, there must be something online, no? Please link the ambiguous term trio and mention in the caption for the second image that only the trio (Trio?) was played then. I moved it from its position in Entrance section. Getting closer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt - I've wikilinked trio and added it to the caption. Unfortunately, there is not an online source available. This is a very minor transit ceremony involving twelve people that is seen by maybe a hundred persons over the course of any given year so that may not be surprising. (It definitely does not warrant an article on its own!) I think most countries have a small ceremony of this type for the entrance of their head-of-state into a state dinner; I know Denmark has a short one involving Antonio Soler's Emperor's Fanfare and the Lord Chamberlain of the Danish court. DarjeelingTea (talk) 19:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. Ok, so it's "known" as Presidential Entrance, but no mentioning online? I feel a bit uneasy about calling that "known". Any other idea to word it? - About the president: once it's established that we talk about the US, you don't need to repeat United States, also please link "President" the first time and no more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt I've de-capitalized it and adjusted the wording throughout so that "entrance" becomes a generic verb, and corrected the overlinking. DarjeelingTea (talk) 20:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious: good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt I've de-capitalized it and adjusted the wording throughout so that "entrance" becomes a generic verb, and corrected the overlinking. DarjeelingTea (talk) 20:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. Ok, so it's "known" as Presidential Entrance, but no mentioning online? I feel a bit uneasy about calling that "known". Any other idea to word it? - About the president: once it's established that we talk about the US, you don't need to repeat United States, also please link "President" the first time and no more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt - I've wikilinked trio and added it to the caption. Unfortunately, there is not an online source available. This is a very minor transit ceremony involving twelve people that is seen by maybe a hundred persons over the course of any given year so that may not be surprising. (It definitely does not warrant an article on its own!) I think most countries have a small ceremony of this type for the entrance of their head-of-state into a state dinner; I know Denmark has a short one involving Antonio Soler's Emperor's Fanfare and the Lord Chamberlain of the Danish court. DarjeelingTea (talk) 19:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for changing march to entrance. Now please just one source naming it so. You gave an offline one that I can't see, but if it's really known as such, there must be something online, no? Please link the ambiguous term trio and mention in the caption for the second image that only the trio (Trio?) was played then. I moved it from its position in Entrance section. Getting closer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, thanks very much - I've made this change. DarjeelingTea (talk) 02:49, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, I made one more change to image placement, and changed a fixed image size to an upright, which reflects users' preferences. Sorry, I have another concern: "Presidential Entrance March", says the article, is the name of the ceremony. Who says so? I'd think "Presidential Entrance" might be the name of a ceremony, and the march played for it. Any source for the ceremony known as march? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt - I think I've incorporated all these changes, but let me know if I missed something. DarjeelingTea (talk) 23:40, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for listening, - the greatest gift, as I said on my talk page ;) - The ALT is more to my liking. How about dropping the link to the year, because we don't want readers to go there and stay because it's interesting reading. I suggest plain "... that 2017 is". Now the title doesn't tell that it's more than some American patriotic song, which might leave foreigners like myself cold. Say a bit more but after the title. Use as Presidential Entrance March should somehow go to the infobox, best with years. If there's no good parameter yet, we should make one. Or how about the second (neutral) image there, with a caption that mentions the music not the man (who is not seen), but perhaps a date? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks much for this thorough review, Gerda Arendt. I think I've incorporated all your edits, as well as proposed an Alt hook, but let me know if I missed something. DarjeelingTea (talk) 23:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
