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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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Harold Spitznagel

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Created by Runner1928 (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 02:58, 17 July 2018 (UTC).

  •  Doing... review in progress. Flibirigit (talk) 05:02, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Earwig's review indicates three sources between 15% and 20% likelihood of violation, however the highlighted text in each case is a proper noun, which is not a violation. Other issues discussed below. Flibirigit (talk) 05:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Runner1928:@Paul2520:The lead section is too short, and does not accurately summarize the article. It should include a brief mention of his schooling, major designs and creations, and major awards. For example, include things like...attended the Art Institute of Chicago... degree from the University of Pennsylvania...South Dakota Hall of Fame inductee... Birthdates needs to be included in the brackets... please see MOS:LEADBIO for further information. Flibirigit (talk) 05:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Runner1928:,@Paul2520:, have either if you had a chance to look at the concerns mentioned above in order to pass this DYK nomination? Thanks Flibirigit (talk) 02:41, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: I did! Thought I would have time today, but it didn't work out. I do think your concerns are valid & responses are actionable. Runner1928, would you like to take a stab? Otherwise, I can either tomorrow or Saturday. = paul2520 (talk) 03:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay, great. No rush. Flibirigit (talk) 03:55, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
@Flibirigit and Paul2520: Thanks for your review! I'm out of town this long weekend with limited internet access. I'll make article improvements as soon as I can this upcoming week. Runner1928 (talk) 05:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
I gave expanding the lead a pass. How does it look, Flibirigit? Runner1928, feel free to make edits when you get a chance. = paul2520 (talk) 16:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
This is good to go now. Flibirigit (talk) 22:28, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
@Flibirigit and Paul2520: Thanks to you both. I added more details to the infobox, a further reading section with the catalog of his final (posthumous) exhibition, and several better images of his buildings. I look forward to seeing the hook mainpage. Runner1928 (talk) 03:37, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm returning this from prep because the hook chosen (ALT0) is one of the dullest hooks I've seen. I was going to propose something else, but now I see you have a number of good alts. I especially like ALT3, but all that's mentioned in the article is "Stavkirke Replica, Rapid City". Could you add something to this listing (i.e., "Black Hills") or to the main text (i.e. "replica of a Norwegian stavkirke") to improve the sourcing for DYK? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:19, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah, Flibirigit, and Paul2520: Sure, I'll take a look as soon as I can. I'm on the road today so it might wait until tomorrow. Thanks for the review! Runner1928 (talk) 17:14, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah, Flibirigit, and Paul2520: OK, I added a paragraph focused on this building, plus an image and wikilink to the building's article in the list of Spitznagel's notable buildings. Runner1928 (talk) 16:22, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposing a new hook below:

  • Nice job! I added the image to this nomination and tweaked ALT4. Waiting for Flibirigit to sign off and then I'll promote it. Yoninah (talk) 16:41, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Oh, I just noticed that Flibirigit was the one who proposed ALT4. OK, I'll sign off on it: ALT4 hook ref verified and cited inline. Image is freely licensed. Rest of review per Flibirigit. ALT4 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah, Flibirigit, and Paul2520: one nitpick: Spitznagel was the architect of record but the design for this exact replica was from the 12th-century church and given to Spitznagel by the Norwegian department of antiquities. Maybe "created" instead of "designed". Otherwise I'm excited to see this go mainpage!! Runner1928 (talk) 21:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm fine with either wording. Flibirigit (talk) 21:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Hold on. Upon further review, none of the sources say that Harold Spitznagel designed or created this replica. It is credited to William Bentzinger, a member of his architectural firm. As appealing as it is, this information needs to be removed from the text and the list of projects. Let's try again. Yoninah (talk) 22:20, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
ALT5:... that prominent South Dakota architect Harold Spitznagel designed the original Mount Rushmore visitor center with Cecil Doty as part of Mission 66, providing a setting for Alfred Hitchcock's 1959 film North by Northwest? Runner1928 (talk) 02:27, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Which reference are we citing for ALT5? Thanks.Flibirigit (talk) 03:31, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/allaback/vci.htm, available in single document at https://irma.nps.gov/DataStore/DownloadFile/465700, is an online National Park Service book. That establishes the two architects' collaboration and the Mission 66 link. The South Dakota History journal article at https://www.sdhspress.com/journal/south-dakota-history-37-4/designing-for-south-dakota-and-the-upper-midwest-the-career-of-architect-harold-t-spitznagel-1930-1974/vol-37-no-4-designing-for-south-dakota-and-the-upper-midwest.pdf is the citation for the Hitchcock claim. Runner1928 (talk) 04:13, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that this PDF file contains a lot of information not yet discussed in the article. It could be used for an impressive expansion. Flibirigit (talk) 18:00, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
I am satisfied with ALT5. It is verifed with the sources provided, discussed in the article, and is more interesting than ALT0...ALT3. Flibirigit (talk) 18:00, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Looks great to me! Thanks for all your work on this, Runner1928 and Flibirigit. Agreed, the .pdf looks like a great reference for expansion. = paul2520 (talk) 20:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah, Flibirigit, and Paul2520: I'm new to the DYK process. Who's responsible for next steps? Do I have to put the accepted hook anywhere? Did someone do that already? Runner1928 (talk) 00:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
You do not need to do anything. Just wait until the item is promoted. There is no time frame. It could be a day, a couple weeks, just be patient and carry on editing other articles. Flibirigit (talk) 04:10, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
@Flibirigit, Yoninah, and Runner1928: Shouldn't it appear on Template talk:Did you know/Approved? I got this message on my talk page recently, saying the nomination isn't complete & I don't see the nomination listed on the noms page or approved/preps/queues... = paul2520 (talk) 15:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I have manually added this review to WP:DYKNA. For some reason it was listed neither at DYKN nor DYKNA, when it originally was at DYKN. Cheers. Flibirigit (talk) 16:14, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, @Flibirigit:. I forgot to relist this when I returned it from the prep set. Yoninah (talk) 17:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
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