Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Stock

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:08, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Henry Stock

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• ... that Henry Stock designed the Peek Freans factory where, in 1929, Monsieur Rondalin invented Twiglets? Source:
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Created by KJP1 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC).

• Article length okay at 2081 B (340 words) readable prose size, and is actually longer if the listed works were counted. Article creation versus filing date okay. Article neutrality and sourcing okay. No evident signs of copyvio nor does Earwig indicate any. QPQ done.

However the hook is a problem. First, it's unusual for the hook fact to not be present in the article text itself, but instead only in a Note. Second, the source given, Webb p. 370, mentions the Bermondsey plant but doesn't say who the architect for the plant is. So an additional cite is needed here (I think fn 3 will cover it ... ahh, I see you listed that as a source in this nomination, but it needs to be in the article itself). And you might come up with an ALT1 hook, in case the promoter doesn't like the Note aspect.

Some other comments on the article itself: The article needs to be more consistent on how it handles the year of birth: if there are other sources that say 1824 and Brodie is the outlier, then use 1824 everywhere and indicate Brodie's different view in the Note; but if Brodie is the only source, use '1824/5' everywhere and change to 'Category:1820s births'. The article needs to use en-dashes for year ranges everywhere, not just some places. En-dashes should also probably be the separators in the Works section. 'Essex' should be linked at the top, not just in the listed works. 'County Surveyor' should be linked. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Wasted Time R - Thanks very much for taking a look. I think I have done the DoB/the bluelinking/added the Peek Freans cite into the body of the article. However, two issues:

• en-dashes; I hate to say I have never understood these, and am not sure how to get an iPad to do them. If you were able to add them, I would be very grateful.
• The hook in a footnote; Unless there is a rule prohibiting it, I think I’d like to leave it. The Twiglets bit is by far the most DYK thing about the article, but equally, it isn’t more than a footnote in the life of Stock. Not least because he was dead for nearly 20 years before the tasty, tangy snacks made an appearance. If the promoter won’t buy it, then so be it. It’s not being DYK won’t be the end of the world. Many thanks for your help. KJP1 (talk) 16:23, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@KJP1: I have put in the en-dashes. The guidance is at MOS:ENDASH and note that you can type – or {{endash}} to use it even if your editing interface doesn't give you access to the special characters insert toolbar. I've used – myself when I've prepared articles offline on things like Windows Notepad.

I understand your rationale re sticking with the Note for Twiglets and it makes sense, we'll see what the promoter thinks. One can even argue that having to look around in the article for the hook fact is kind of hooky in its own way.

But to me, the year of birth situation is still unresolved. If you think 1824 is the date, you need to give a cite other than Brodie in the article text, and then in the Note you can give Brodie as saying it's unsure between 1824 and 1825. But if Brodie is the only source you have, then the article has to go with 1824/5 everywhere and 1820s in the cat. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Resolved, I hope. Heavens, this is as gruelling as FAC. KJP1 (talk) 22:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Now good to go. Sorry if I was annoying, but dates of birth are one of those things that need to be right. And consistent use of dashes is one of those polish things that should be there for any kind of article is up on the main page. At least I think so. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Wasted Time R - Not remotely annoying. Really helpful and I very much appreciate it. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 09:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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