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The result was: promoted by Sven Manguard Wha? 20:25, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hissa Hilal
edit- ... that Hissa Hilal, the first woman to reach the final of reality TV poetry contest Million's Poet, won one round with a poem criticizing fatwas?
Moved to mainspace by Roscelese (talk). Self nominated at 16:45, 30 March 2014 (UTC).
- Review still in progress, but since the article and sources specify this poem was in the round that got her to the final, I think the hook could be made more specific:
ALT1: ... that Hissa Hilal, the first woman to reach the final of reality TV poetry contest Million's Poet, won her place in the final with a poem criticizing fatwas?January (talk) 17:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)- I like it, but might it be too long? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:36, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
- It's 156 characters by my count which is inside the limit. However I am slightly confused now I've read The National source, it seems there were two similar poems and they’re quoting the first one ("The poem performed by Ms Hilal last week ...", having earlier referred to her having "performed a similar poem this week") with the verses from "The Chaos of Fatwas", which suggests it wasn't the one performed in the semi-final. This seems to contradict Der Speigel. January (talk) 21:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Everything else is fine (newness, length, citations, paraphrasing, article quality etc). January (talk) 21:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
- Hm. I'm not sure. I do know that her last poem was from the poet to her work and her second-to-last was about media, but I don't know enough about the program to know how one gets into the final rounds (ie. if a poem from a week or two weeks earlier would still get one into the final). –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- I think the safest option would be to take it out of the article if we're not sure (the part about it winning the top score of the round and a place in the final) and stick with the original hook. January (talk) 19:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'd trust The National over foreign sources for this; what do you suggest for rephrasing in order to retain the maximum amount of that information? (re having the top score) –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- I found this from Middle East Online which makes the sequence of events clearer. She scored 47 out of 50 in the round which got her through to the "final phase", one of her poems in this round was on the reaction to the poem on fatwas, which was in the previous round. It says "The final phase of the competition, which will kick off next week", suggesting there's more than one part to this final phase, and the start of this phase was when she was scheduled to perform the poem on media. January (talk) 21:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- Aha! Good find. While in the normal course of events this isn't more reliable than the other news sources we've cited and may be less so, in this particular case it's clearly closer to the events at hand and some of the other sources seem to have made mistakes. Would you agree? (as a result, we'd still be saying that her most famous poem was The Chaos of Fatwas, but it wasn't the one that got her into the final phase - yes?) –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, agreed on both points. I think we just need some modifications to the Million's poet section to reflect this and then it'll be ready to go. January (talk) 07:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- OK, I have made that change. I'm still not 100% which poem was in 15 verses, because The National says in several articles discussing her post-show career that it was "The Chaos of Fatwas" and Middle East Online says it was the one the week after, the one that got her into the final. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:18, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Interesting that the National articles nearer the event don't mention the 15 verses at all. I think that would be very difficult to resolve, there are lot of sources we would usually consider reliable quoting The Chaos of Fatwas as 15 verses but in some cases they're the same ones which seem to have errors elsewhere. It is plausible though that both poems were 15 verses so this is not necessarily a contradiction. January (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- OK, I have made that change. I'm still not 100% which poem was in 15 verses, because The National says in several articles discussing her post-show career that it was "The Chaos of Fatwas" and Middle East Online says it was the one the week after, the one that got her into the final. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:18, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, agreed on both points. I think we just need some modifications to the Million's poet section to reflect this and then it'll be ready to go. January (talk) 07:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Aha! Good find. While in the normal course of events this isn't more reliable than the other news sources we've cited and may be less so, in this particular case it's clearly closer to the events at hand and some of the other sources seem to have made mistakes. Would you agree? (as a result, we'd still be saying that her most famous poem was The Chaos of Fatwas, but it wasn't the one that got her into the final phase - yes?) –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- I found this from Middle East Online which makes the sequence of events clearer. She scored 47 out of 50 in the round which got her through to the "final phase", one of her poems in this round was on the reaction to the poem on fatwas, which was in the previous round. It says "The final phase of the competition, which will kick off next week", suggesting there's more than one part to this final phase, and the start of this phase was when she was scheduled to perform the poem on media. January (talk) 21:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'd trust The National over foreign sources for this; what do you suggest for rephrasing in order to retain the maximum amount of that information? (re having the top score) –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- I think the safest option would be to take it out of the article if we're not sure (the part about it winning the top score of the round and a place in the final) and stick with the original hook. January (talk) 19:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- Hm. I'm not sure. I do know that her last poem was from the poet to her work and her second-to-last was about media, but I don't know enough about the program to know how one gets into the final rounds (ie. if a poem from a week or two weeks earlier would still get one into the final). –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- I like it, but might it be too long? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:36, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
