Template:Did you know nominations/Historia Divae Monacellae
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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Historia Divae Monacellae
- ... that the Historia Divae Monacellae attributes miracles to wild hares? Source: https://hdl.handle.net/10107%2F1271085 (see p. 40)
Improved to Good Article status by Sawyer777 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
... sawyer * he/they * talk 01:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment – I will review this nomination. – Editør (talk) 10:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Review – The article is new enough (became a good article on 15 July 2024), is long enough (8133 characters of prose), has no detected copyright issues (per Earwig check and GA review), and is presentable (per readthrough and GA review). The hook is cited to a reliable source and interesting. QPQ was done. However, I think the Latin title might require some explanation for the average English speaker. What do you think of ALT1? – Editør (talk) 11:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 – ... that the Historia Divae Monacellae is a medieval hagiography that attributes miracles to wild hares?
- Editør i hear you about contextualizing the title, but i think ALT1 is just slightly clunky - how about this? thanks for the review :) ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 - ...that the Historia Divae Monacellae, a medieval hagiography, attributes miracles to wild hares?
Pass ALT2. – Editør (talk) 08:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sawyer777 and Editør:
hey! quick thing- in the absence of a distinction, i think the hook should make it clear that the book doesn't say that all miracles are caused by hares, only that hares did perform miracles. (and next on "sentences I never thought I'd type"...) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at the source, maybe it can be changed like this?
- ALT3 – ...that the Historia Divae Monacellae, a medieval hagiography, attributes miracles of different kinds to wild hares?
- Or perhaps Sawyer777 can come up with something better. – Editør (talk) 20:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- i'll be real, i'm not convinced this is a significant issue - i can't imagine the average reader interpreting my hook as the text attributing all miracles to hares. at least to me, the obvious meaning here is that it's attributing specific miracles to hares. not a huge fan of ALT3, since it doesn't really change the part that leeky is objecting to. however, in the interest of compromise, see ALT4. (btw, it's not really a book, it's like two pages long) ... sawyer * he/they * talk 21:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4 – ...that the Historia Divae Monacellae, a medieval hagiography, tells of wild hares performing miracles?
- I'm good with that if Editør is :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:20, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I like how ALT4 seems to fix the issue that Theleekycauldron saw. But another thing, the source speaks of miracles "through" the hares, which sounds more like passive divine instruments than the active performers that ALT4 seems to make them. I am not sure this is an issue, but I thought I should mention it. I believe this is the relevant sentence in the source: "This virgin Monacella most pleasing to God lived a solitary life, as mentioned before, in the same place for thirty-seven years and the hares, wild little animals just like tame or gentle beasts, were friends with her every day throughout her life, through whom' even, with the assistance of divine clemency, miracles of different kinds are not lacking to those invoking help and the favour of good-will with the deepest feeling of heart." – Editør (talk) 22:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm good with that if Editør is :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:20, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at the source, maybe it can be changed like this?
- @Sawyer777 and Editør:
- ALT2 - ...that the Historia Divae Monacellae, a medieval hagiography, attributes miracles to wild hares?
- i don't think this is an issue; that's pretty standard language for hagiography & miracle legends. one could say "Saint Catherine of Siena posthumously performed a miracle by transporting her severed head to her hometown" or "through Saint Catherine of Siena's intercession, her severed head was miraculously transported to her hometown" and it would mean the same thing, theologically. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 23:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case, ALT4 is alright with me too. Thanks for explaining. – Editør (talk) 08:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- i don't think this is an issue; that's pretty standard language for hagiography & miracle legends. one could say "Saint Catherine of Siena posthumously performed a miracle by transporting her severed head to her hometown" or "through Saint Catherine of Siena's intercession, her severed head was miraculously transported to her hometown" and it would mean the same thing, theologically. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 23:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)