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The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:12, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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History of the Jews in Alaska

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  • ... that ...in 1906 and during the early 1940s, Alaska was strongly considered as a potential Jewish settlement for jewish people escaping persecution in Europe/Russia? Source: Anchorage Daily News (in article)], Jewish Social Studies. Indiana University Press (in article)]
  • ... that in 1906 and during the early 1940s, Alaska was considered as a potential refuge for Jews escaping pogroms and the Holocaust? Source: Anchorage Daily News (in article)], Jewish Social Studies. Indiana University Press (in article)] Source: Anchorage Daily News (in article)], Jewish Social Studies. Indiana University Press (in article)]

Created/expanded by Zchai72 (talk). Nominated by JC7V7DC5768 (talk) at 22:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC).

  • ALT1: that in 1906, a Jewish émigré from Russia named Abe Spring first proposed Alaska as a refuge for persecuted Jews. His suggestion that victims of Russian pogroms be settled in Alaska was rejected by the U.S. Congress? [1]
  • ALT2: that... in 1906, a Jewish émigré from Russia named Abe Spring first proposed Alaska as a refuge for persecuted Jews, but the suggestion was rejected by the U.S. Congress? [2]
  • ALT3: that... in 1906, Russian-Jewish immigrant Abe Spring first proposed Alaska as a refuge for Jews, but the suggestion was rejected by the U.S. Congress? [3]

Created/expanded by Zchai72 (talk). Nominated by JC7V7DC5768 (talk) at 22:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC).


Hey thanks for the suggestion. I've added the ALT1, and I will soon fix the other issues. JC7V-constructive zone 18:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

And I now fixed the rest, thanks for the help. JC7V-constructive zone 18:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I added what you suggested as an 'alt 1', I would like to use that as the hook. JC7V-constructive zone 20:16, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment the article is DYK appropriate but needs copyediting for Flow. Szzuk (talk) 09:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

@Szzuk: Hi Szzuk, thank you for commenting. Do you mean the article itself needs copyediting for flow or that this DYK statement itself needs copyediting for flow? If it's this DYK itself that needs those improvements, I just insterted Catriona's suggested wording of the DYK (after I first read your comment). He/she suggested it to me as a ALT 1 but it seems better than any wording that I can come up with. JC7V-constructive zone 20:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I meant the article could do with a copyedit for flow, it is really just about how one sentence leads to the next, the content itself is fine. I would have a go at doing this myself but it is one of my own weak areas, does someone else here know how to request this copyedit? Szzuk (talk) 21:06, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
@Szzuk: Hi, I tried to fix up some parts of the article myself. If you can point me to specific paragraphs and the sort which need to be fixed in the article, I can further fix them or I can get my mentor AE (who is part of WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors) to fix them too. Thank you. JC7V-constructive zone 22:08, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • @Szzuk: Ok ,the article is fixed just as you requested (via Two Fingered Typist copyediting it). So is the DYI good to go?? JC7V-constructive zone 19:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Came here after the ping. I admit that this is outside my usual fields so I can't really be of much help here, but I do have to note that the sentence beginning with "There are presently two permanent rabbis in the state" is unsourced. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the feedback. I've removed that unsourced statement since I couldn't find any sources online to back it up. JC7V-constructive zone 02:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Luckily, Two Fingered Typist reinsterted the material with a reliable source so it is sourced now. Thank you TTT. JC7V-constructive zone 19:06, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • The only remaining problem is with the hook, the refs you've noted above are located on an American server which won't let me view them as I'm in Europe. Can you copy and paste the relevant text from those websites into this page? Szzuk (talk) 19:38, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Szzuk: Hi i posted the relevant source info from the two sources on this DYK's talk page. Thank youJC7V-constructive zone 19:49, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
The problem with hooks is that they've got to be directly referenced, so there is this piece of text in 1906, that a prescient Jewish émigré from Russia named Abe Spring first proposed Alaska as a refuge for persecuted Jews. His suggestion that victims of Russian pogroms be settled in Alaska was rejected by the U.S. Congress." I'd suggest you take the relevant information from this piece and make a new ALT. Then put the same reference at the very end of that sentence in the article so it is inline. If you don't want to use anything from that noted here you'd need to find a similar bit of information from your source newspaper. It is difficult getting the hook right unfortunately. Szzuk (talk) 20:03, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
    • @Szzuk: Thank you for your feedback and suggestion. I have done as you said. JC7V-constructive zone 20:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
      I think ALT1 is prossibly a bit too long, so I added another ALT2. Are you happy for either to be used? Szzuk (talk) 20:37, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
        • @Szzuk: Hi, thanks for suggestion. Alt 2 looks good and really gets the hook across. I wish to use that one. JC7V-constructive zone 20:41, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
          • OK I've completed the review. ALT1 and ALT2 are verified hooks. Szzuk (talk) 20:51, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I would cut the word "prescient" because of words to watch. Catrìona (talk) 20:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
    Good spot, done. (I removed symbol codes because they confuse the robot). Szzuk (talk) 21:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I came to promote this, but I find that neither ALT1 nor ALT2 follows the DYK guidelines (i.e. the subject of the hook should be a bolded link). In addition, I find that both hooks are rather long; can they be shorted somewhat? Finally, "émigré" is probably an unfamiliar word for many readers so it might be a good idea to link to it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Alaska's Jewish community predates US settlement". Anchorage Daily News. Anchorage Daily News. Retrieved 10 October 2018.
  2. ^ "Alaska's Jewish community predates US settlement". Anchorage Daily News. Anchorage Daily News. Retrieved 10 October 2018.
  3. ^ "Alaska's Jewish community predates US settlement". Anchorage Daily News. Anchorage Daily News. Retrieved 10 October 2018.
I suppose it is then. Restoring tick. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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