Template:Did you know nominations/Ida Hunt Udall

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:29, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Ida Hunt Udall

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Ida Hunt Udall in 1905

... that in 1881, Latter-day Saint diarist Ida Hunt Udall (pictured) turned down a marriage offer from her longtime boyfriend because he was a monogamist, and she wanted to "share her husband with other wives"? Source: Maria S. Ellsworth, Mormon Odyssey: The Story of Ida Hunt Udall, Plural Wife (University of Illinois Press, 1992), 41: "'…when her Beaver sweetheart, Johnny Murdock, wrote that he was coming to Arizona to marry her, she broke the engagement.' She hoped that she could marry a man who wanted to practice polygamy so she could share her husband with other wives"; Genevieve J. Long, "Laboring in the Desert: The Letters and Diaries of Narcissa Prentiss Whitman and Ida Hunt Udall" (PhD diss., 2002), 279–280: "Udall also describes Mormons who do not support the principle of plural marriage. One of these is a former suitor, Johnny Murdock".
- Reviewed: Not required, as this is only my third-ever DYK nomination, but to try to help out I reviewed Marriage License.
- Comment: I created the page on November 8. The DYK check tool seems to not be registering its newness due to mistakenly treating the Userspace draft as a creation date.

Created by Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits). Self-nominated at 21:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - The part in quotes seems to be from a source and not from Udall herself as I was expecting. I think putting it in quotes is misleading.

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article new enough, long enough. Hook is interesting and sourced, but seems misleading with the quotes (I was expecting it to be from Udall herself). DHN (talk) 05:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@DHN Since the quote is in the third person, doesn't that make it clear enough the quote isn't in Udall's own voice? It's such a small grouping of words, and I didn't want to lose the punch of the biographer's phrasing. But if a third-person quotation is unacceptable, what about the following?

ALT1: ... that in 1881, Latter-day Saint diarist Ida Hunt Udall (pictured) turned down a marriage offer from her longtime boyfriend because he was a monogamist, and she wanted a polygamous marriage with other wives? Source: identical to ALT0
- ALT2: ... that in 1881, Latter-day Saint diarist Ida Hunt Udall (pictured) turned down a marriage offer from her longtime boyfriend because he was a monogamist, and she wanted a polygamous marriage? Source: identical to ALT0

Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 06:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hydrangeans: I think the phrasing without quotes is fine. Any reason why the biographer's phrasing needs to be in quotes in the article? It didn't seem to be particularly peculiar or noteworthy. DHN (talk) 06:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@DHN: I just thought "she wanted to share her husband with other wives" was very punchy phrasing that would be interesting to readers. But I digress. On your feedback, I have rewritten the paragraph in the page to paraphrase instead of quote.

- I like ALT2. It's more succinct. DHN (talk) 06:52, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I personally prefer ALT1 over ALT2—the latter is shorter only by three words—but I'll defer to whoever puts the DYK slate together. Thanks very much for the review and feedback!