- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Imtiaz Qureshi
... that according to Indian chef Imtiaz Qureshi, who is credited with reviving the dum pukht cooking tradition, all biryanis are pulaos?Source: https://www.financialexpress.com/life/travel-tourism/spicy-fare-spicier-tales-from-chef-imtiaz-qureshi/149400/ALT1: ... that Indian chef Imtiaz Qureshi created the menu for the Bukhara overnight battling a 104-degree fever?Source: https://www.mid-day.com/mumbai-guide/mumbai-food/article/padma-shri-awardee-chef-imtiaz-qureshi-recounts-his-culinary-journey-16902194- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WLMT
- Comment: My preference is for ALT0.
Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 08:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Imtiaz Qureshi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The article meets DYK requirements for newness and length. I didn't detect any close paraphrasing, and any quotes have been appropriately cited. The preference for ALT0 is noted, but personally ALT1 is probably the more interesting hook here given it's slightly less specialist and more eyecatchy; however, I would suggest modifying the hook to clarify that Bukhara is a restaurant brand, and that it's in Fahrenheit for the benefit of non-American/Liberian readers, perhaps with a Celsius conversion. I understand the quote used Fahrenheit, but the hook is not a direct quote anyway. A QPQ is still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Added QPQ. I feel 104-degree fever should be alright. Adding Fahrenheit will only make it verbose. Similarly with restaurant. Bukhara is wikilinked. Ktin (talk) 02:17, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Ktin: We are writing for an international audience, and most of the world doesn't use Fahrenheit, including India. Readers outside the US and a handful of other countries who see the hook will just be confused. If there's a concern it will be verbose, just add the symbol, no need to include the full word (same with the Celsius conversion). The wikilink helps but may not be enough. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I would agree with the need for units and conversions almost always. But, with a statement like 104-degree fever, it is hard to not think fahrenheit. Also, I do not agree with the assertion that India does not use Fahrenheit (specifically, for medical purposes). However, given our impasse, let's do this. I will write out both variants of the hooks. Let the promoting admin / editor take a call.
- ALT0 ... that according to Indian chef Imtiaz Qureshi, who is credited with reviving the dum pukht cooking tradition, all biryanis are pulaos?
- ALT1.1: ... that Indian chef Imtiaz Qureshi created the menu for the Bukhara overnight battling a 104-degree fever?
- ALT1.2: ... that Indian chef Imtiaz Qureshi created the menu for the Bukhara restaurant overnight battling a 104-degree fahrenheit fever?
- My first preference is for ALT0, and the second preference is ALT1.1. However, let the promoting admin take a call. ALT0 is actually the most interesting of these hooks. For contextualizing -- this is equivalent to the founder of the McDonalds burger saying that a burger is actually a sandwich. Ktin (talk) 04:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Ktin: I think the issue here is that if a person isn't familiar with what biryanis are, they might not get the hook. Sure they're quite popular around the world, but we are aiming for the broadest audience, not the smallest one, and in my opinion, the fever angle is the one that's more easily understandable or self-evident. If there's a concern that using the full word "Fahrenheit" would make the hook more verbose, the symbol could probably be used, with it being left to the promoter if a conversion is necessary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: It is fine for us to disagree. Let the promoting admin take a call. I am striking out the older hooks. My preference continues to remain the same. But, will defer to the promoting admin. Ktin (talk) 04:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Please let know if we need a different reviewer for this nomination. Ktin (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- My preference would be to approve only ALT0 and ALT1.2 (albeit with that hook using a symbol instead), and if ALT1.2 were to be used, I'd leave it to the promoter whether or not to include a conversion (since the WT:DYK discussion had mixed opinions). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree and commit. I disagree that ALT1.2 does anything better to the hook than ALT1.1. I also disagree that the WT:DYK discussion had mixed opinions. It was clear as clear can be. I also, respectfully, think that the reviewer is holding on to the stick more than they should (see WP:DROPTHESTICK). That said, in the interest of moving on, I will commit to moving forward with an approval of ALT0 and ALT1.2, with the promoting admin / editor having a free reign to pick either of the hooks. Let's go build an encyclopedia. Ktin (talk) 04:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- My preference would be to approve only ALT0 and ALT1.2 (albeit with that hook using a symbol instead), and if ALT1.2 were to be used, I'd leave it to the promoter whether or not to include a conversion (since the WT:DYK discussion had mixed opinions). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Please let know if we need a different reviewer for this nomination. Ktin (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: It is fine for us to disagree. Let the promoting admin take a call. I am striking out the older hooks. My preference continues to remain the same. But, will defer to the promoting admin. Ktin (talk) 04:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Ktin: I think the issue here is that if a person isn't familiar with what biryanis are, they might not get the hook. Sure they're quite popular around the world, but we are aiming for the broadest audience, not the smallest one, and in my opinion, the fever angle is the one that's more easily understandable or self-evident. If there's a concern that using the full word "Fahrenheit" would make the hook more verbose, the symbol could probably be used, with it being left to the promoter if a conversion is necessary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I would agree with the need for units and conversions almost always. But, with a statement like 104-degree fever, it is hard to not think fahrenheit. Also, I do not agree with the assertion that India does not use Fahrenheit (specifically, for medical purposes). However, given our impasse, let's do this. I will write out both variants of the hooks. Let the promoting admin / editor take a call.
- @Ktin: We are writing for an international audience, and most of the world doesn't use Fahrenheit, including India. Readers outside the US and a handful of other countries who see the hook will just be confused. If there's a concern it will be verbose, just add the symbol, no need to include the full word (same with the Celsius conversion). The wikilink helps but may not be enough. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
As a compromise, I am approving only ALT0 and ALT1.2. If ALT1.2 is chosen, I will leave it to the promoter if a conversion to Celsius is needed and/or if "Fahrenheit" can be replaced with "°F". If ALT0 is used instead, that issue is moot. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
