Template:Did you know nominations/Jacques Beauchamp
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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 03:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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Jacques Beauchamp
... that journalist Jacques Beauchamp became a spare goaltender for the Montreal Canadiens because he constantly followed them on road trips?Sports Editor Habs Spare Goalie- ALT1:... that journalist Jacques Beauchamp said he tried to build the Philadelphia Journal on happiness and smiles? Newest daily paper built on happiness
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... that journalist Jacques Beauchamp increased the daily readership of Le Journal de Montréal from 48,000 copies to 100,000 in one year?Jacques Beauchamp: le phare du Journal de Montréal
Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC).
- @HickoryOughtShirt?4: please remember that a QPQ is still outstanding here. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 02:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Flibirigit Done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
thank you for the QPQ. A full review is still needed here. I have to excuse myself from reviewing since I have been tinkering with the article. Flibirigit (talk) 18:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Interesting life, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I like the happiness hook so much better than the others that I struck them, - thank you for an uplift! - Consider to split the last sentence in two. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)\
- Comments: Ah, I did a little on this as well (Article nominated the day after creation, long enough, neutral, well-cited, with no copyvio detected. QPQ verified. Hooks are of good length, formatted, and cited in article.) I felt that ALT0 was the most interesting, and added an inline citation for the hook sentence. A couple other notes:
- Would ALT0 work better if rephrased as "because he was already following them on road trips?" or "because he was already present for their away games?"
- For ALT1: Since Beauchamp was editor-in-chief of this publication, should he be referred to in the hook as a journalist or an editor?
- For ALT2:
He had a large impact on the journal, increasing their readership from 48,000 copies daily to 100,000 in one year.
The source verifies those sales figures but does not specifically credit them to Beauchamp. It does say that he was "the most widely read sports journalist in Quebec" (Google translation). A few paragraphs further down, it associates Beauchamp's leadership as sports director with the circulation increase from 75k to 200k over a decade, and later to 300k. At the end of the article, Pierre Péladeau is quoted: "If Jacques Beauchamp had not entered the Journal de Montréal, we would never have experienced such a boom. To a certain extent, we even owe the Journal's survival to him." I'd suggest changing the article to give the circulation/sales figures more neutrally in Wikipedia's voice, then use Peladeau to credit it to Beauchamp. Then write an ALT2a to reflect the changes (if you want that as an option).
- Sorry for butting in on another review; I hope that this is useful. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- No problem, thank you! - Yes, it was lack of logic in ALT0 that made me strike. Please feel free to reword as ALT3, and may approve it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Will do. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, Reidgreg some ALTS. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- ** ALT2
... that publisher Pierre Péladeau attributed the success of Le Journal de Montréal to journalist Jacques Beauchamp? - ** ALT2a
... that publisher Pierre Péladeau considered Jacques Beauchamp, "the most widely read sports journalist in Quebec," the reason for the success of Le Journal de Montréal? - ** ALT2b
... that after Le Journal de Montréal increased readership from 48,000 copies to 100,000 in one year, publisher Pierre Péladeau attribited its success to Jacques Beauchamp?- Thank you! They all have in common that the bolded subject comes too late, which is good if you want to promote the publisher and his paper. Otherwise, I recommend you turn ALT2a round, get Beauchamp first, say the quote, and drop the paper. If you want to pursue the readership (but a bit lifeless in comparison), you might say "doubled". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- ** ALT2bb: ... that Jacques Beauchamp was considered to be "the most widely read sports journalist in Quebec"?
- also fine, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- ** ALT2bb: ... that Jacques Beauchamp was considered to be "the most widely read sports journalist in Quebec"?
- Thank you! They all have in common that the bolded subject comes too late, which is good if you want to promote the publisher and his paper. Otherwise, I recommend you turn ALT2a round, get Beauchamp first, say the quote, and drop the paper. If you want to pursue the readership (but a bit lifeless in comparison), you might say "doubled". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- ** ALT2
- No problem, thank you! - Yes, it was lack of logic in ALT0 that made me strike. Please feel free to reword as ALT3, and may approve it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comments: Ah, I did a little on this as well (Article nominated the day after creation, long enough, neutral, well-cited, with no copyvio detected. QPQ verified. Hooks are of good length, formatted, and cited in article.) I felt that ALT0 was the most interesting, and added an inline citation for the hook sentence. A couple other notes:
