Template:Did you know nominations/James B. Duke House

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 22:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

James B. Duke House

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Duke House

• ... that heiress Doris Duke referred to her childhood home in New York City (pictured) as "the rock pile"? Source: Pace, Eric (October 29, 1993). "Doris Duke, 80, Heiress Whose Great Wealth Couldn't Buy Happiness, Is Dead". The New York Times.
  • ALT1:... that when she was 14 years old, heiress Doris Duke sued her mother for ownership of her New York City home (pictured) and won? Source: "Doris Duke, 14, Gets $1,600,000 House" (PDF). The New York Times. February 11, 1927. p. 12.
  • ALT2:... that the James B. Duke House (pictured) replaced "the best-built house ever torn down in New York City"? Source: Tauranac, John (1985). Elegant New York: The Builders and the Buildings, 1885-1915. New York: Abbeville Press. p. 116.
  • ALT3:... that the James B. Duke House (pictured), the second house of tobacco magnate James Buchanan Duke and his family, is now used by New York University? Source: Budin, Jeremiah (February 21, 2013). "James B. Duke: Less Frugal Than the Vanderbilts or Astors". Curbed NY.
  • ALT4:... that New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) was modeled after a French chateau and designed by an architect who didn't have a formal architectural education? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times
  • ALT5:... that the architect of New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured), modeled after a French chateau, had no formal architectural education and delegated the design to an African American? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times
  • ALT6:... that the architect of New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) had no formal architectural education and delegated the design to African American architect Julian Abele? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times
  • ALT7:... that one of African American architect Julian Abele's early works was the James B. Duke House (pictured), whose official architect had no formal architectural education? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times
  • ALT8:... that African American architect Julian Abele designed New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) since its official architect had no formal architectural education? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times

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5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC).

Interesting house with a history, Good article on a wealth of sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, and almost a must. - Sorry, I don't care much about the heiress, nor the use by the university. Btw, why is that use under "Design"? I like the name of a subject unpiped, and my current favourite is ALT4, but could you also mention that an African American architect did the real work? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review. I've added a few hooks that are similar to ALT4 but mention Abele's role. NYU is mentioned in the Design section since this sentence is just summarizing the current occupant. Several sentences in the design section mention the university as well. Epicgenius (talk) 19:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for ALTs 5 to 8! I like 5 best, but think we need "details" as mentioned in the article, and that Abele deserves at least a piped link. What do you think of this:

ALT5a:... that the architect of the James B. Duke House (pictured) in New York City, modeled after a French chateau, had no formal architectural education and delegated details of the design to an African American? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Sorry, I did not see this earlier for some reason. To me, 5a seems quite long, even though it's interesting. Maybe we can condense it a little further, like ALT5b:... that the architect of New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) had no formal architectural education and delegated design details to an African American? Epicgenius (talk) 23:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Actually, on further thought, I feel like mentioning the house is designed by an African American and inspired by a French chateau is unnecessarily wordy, especially if this runs with the image. So I suggest we should leave it out. Epicgenius (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

If the image is taken, you and I would see it's after a French chateau, but I doubt for many of our readers. But the nominator's wish is my command:

ALT5b: ... that the architect of the James B. Duke House (pictured) in New York City had no formal architectural education and delegated details of the design to an African American? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: My apologies again. I thought this was a rhetorical question but didn't realize you were actually waiting for a response. I think ALT5b is fine. Epicgenius (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

the two ALT5b - my mistake that we have two - which differ only in a little detail. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 23 August 2021 (UTC)