Template:Did you know nominations/Jesse B. Jackson

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The result was: promoted by Alex Shih ^Talk 16:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Jesse B. Jackson

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... ~~that Jesse B. Jackson (pictured), who was known for saving thousands of lives during the Armenian Genocide, said that the Ottoman government tried to "extinguish the Armenian race"?~~

Reviewed: Information technology in Bangladesh
Comment: I tried really hard to find the best hook. This is what I came up with. If the reviewer suggests a more catchy and powerful hook, please let me know. Thank you.

Created by Proudbolsahye (talk). Self nominated at 02:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC).

I find the hook to be good and sufficient. Length checks out, sources, good work.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

A gentle reminder that it is not cool (and against policy) to directly cite works that you have not seen yourself; instead, you should only cite works where you got the information. Hopefully the editors of the article will change the citations everywhere they have done this so they are not directly citing documents and sources that they have not seen themselves (which is a problem for A. knowing the full context, B. verifiability and C. claiming someone else's archival work as their own). Peace. AbstractIllusions (talk) 13:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. I have repositioned offline sources next to accessible sources so that there is now no standalone offline source that cannot be verified without a written and accessible publication. Proudbolsahye (talk) 17:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Not Done. To be clear: You must cite where you found the reference: WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT. They do not have to be accessible online, but unless you visited the U.S. National Archives yourself, you should cite the work of the people who did the hard work and visited the archives for those inline citations. AbstractIllusions (talk) 18:01, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I removed the U.S. National Archives sources but have stored the information in my computer regardless. The U.S. National Archives was visited by the researchers and authors of the sources provided. I chose to place U.S. National Archive sources strictly for research purposes and to provide a reference to the information. Maybe I'll make notes of the information later and not necessarily sources. Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Issue resolved. You can also cite them in the example style given in WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT to keep them in. This way it directs the reader both to the author who did the archival work and the original document. Hope you'll continue citing where you got it on future articles and maybe cleaning up earlier articles where you may have done the same thing. 18:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

As for this DYK? Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:26, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

The meaning of "genocide" is widely known so I think the second phrase in the hook is redundant. Suggested alt:

ALT1:
... that Jesse B. Jackson (pictured), is known for saving thousands of lives during the Armenian Genocide? Gatoclass (talk) 06:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Fine with me. Proudbolsahye (talk) 06:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Need a new reviewer for ALT1. The article was GTG per BabbaQ's review but small changes were made. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Since ALT1 is a subset of the original hook, I think we can assume it has already been verified by BabbaQ. I have also verified the image, this is a reasonably well written article on an important topic and would I think make a passable lead hook. Gatoclass (talk) 07:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)