Template:Did you know nominations/Johann-Werner Prein
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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
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Johann-Werner Prein
... that Johann-Werner Prein, an Austrian operatic bass-baritone based in Germany, took part in the 1994 premiere of Schulhoff's Flammen?Source: [1]- Reviewed:
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- Reviewed:
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 17:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC).
New enough (started 12/8) and more than long enough. Article is generally well sourced. One exception: The last half of the third paragraph under "Career" has no sources. Earwig detects no problems. Hook is short enough. The source cited for the hook fact (here) shows Prein's presence on an April 16, 1994 performance but does not identify the performance as the "premiere". Moreover, the article on Flammen (Schulhoff) indicates that its "premiere" was 62 years earlier in 1932. Perhaps a different hook is needed? Or clarification and sourcing that it was the premiere of the German translation of Flammen? As for hookiness, I'm unfamiliar with Flammen, and thus the hook didn't capture my attention, but I'll assume in good faith that this would interesting to a broad audience. QPQ needs to be completed. Cbl62 (talk) 18:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Short reply: I was fascinated by reading about Flammen (the German version made by Max Brod!), and one source says that the first run in Czech was incomplete. More interesting than another Sachs or Sarastro, doing justice to a composer the Nazis didn't like. I'm out for now, more tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Bisciola. - 1994 was the premiere of Flammen, the other of Flameny, - better wording welcome, also that it is a version of the Don Juan story which some more will know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: QPQ is now done, and I acknowledge your distinction between Flameny (or Plameny) and Flammen. However, there is one more issue. As noted above, the last two sentences of the third paragraph under "Career" remain unsourced. Cbl62 (talk) 15:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, missed the ref when splitting two paras, added now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: QPQ is now done, and I acknowledge your distinction between Flameny (or Plameny) and Flammen. However, there is one more issue. As noted above, the last two sentences of the third paragraph under "Career" remain unsourced. Cbl62 (talk) 15:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Pulled per this discussion at WT:DYK. Concerns were raised there that the hook does not meet the "interesting to a broad audience" criterion and there seems to be rough consensus that the current hook is unsuitable. A new hook will probably need to be proposed here. Courtesy ping to commenters: @Kingsif, SL93, Theleekycauldron, and Andrew Davidson:. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:24, 30 December 2021 (UTC)- Also courtesy ping to the original reviewer Cbl62. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda has noted on the WT:DYK page that the article was originally supposed to go up on the subject's birthday on 3rd January, so if this appearance is to be maintained, issues will need to be resolved as soon as possible so that it can make the date. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:09, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- I added a Gramophone review of the first recording which was made after the premiere.
- ALT1: ... that bass-baritone Johann-Werner Prein took part in the 1994 premiere and subsequent first recording of Erwin Schulhoff's only opera, Flammen, which the Nazis had suppressed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that ALT1 is much better than the original hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
