- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 01:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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John Caples
Portrait of John Caples
... that John Caples's mail-order advert for the US School of Music in 1926, became successful and was one of the 100 greatest advertisements of all time?Source: Applegate, Edd (1994). Ad men and women : a biographical dictionary of advertising. Greenwood Press. p. 101. ISBN 978-0-313-27801-3. OCLC 679458285.
ALT1: ... that John Caples's first printed advertisement was for the Arthur Murray Dance Studios?Source: Applegate, Edd (1994). Ad men and women : a biographical dictionary of advertising. Greenwood Press. p. 100. ISBN 978-0-313-27801-3. OCLC 679458285.
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Moved to mainspace by SafariScribe (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 06:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC).
- Comment We cannot say in Wikipedia voice that something "was one of the 100 greatest advertisements of all time". If a source has made this claim, it could be said "has been considered by so-and-so to be one of the 100 greatest advertisements of all time", but as of now it is a statement of opinion. This isn't a full review, but the hook as it stands certainly cannot go on the main page. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Trainsandotherthings, No, it's a fact. I also saw the same here in p.6.Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- "100 greatest advertisements of all time" is an opinion, not a fact. It is a value judgement not based on an objective criterion that can be evaluated. This is made clear in the source you linked, which says "He has the distinction of having two of his advertisements listed among the 100 greatest of all time" which is cited to a 1959 book entitled "100 Greatest Advertisements" by one Julian Watkins. You are misrepresenting the source and in the process violating WP:NPOV. What is true is that one book published over 50 years ago listed his advertisment as one of the "100 greatest of all time". Trainsandotherthings (talk) 12:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have struck ALT0 as a violation of WP:WIKIVOICE. You may propose a hook which includes some variant of "has been described as one of the hundred greatest advertisements of all time". A copyedit wouldn't go amiss either; many sentences would deserve {{fragment}}.--Launchballer 12:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't a review, just a comment for now, but ALT1 does not meet WP:DYKINT (it is not interesting given a lack of context) and thus has been struck. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have struck ALT0 as a violation of WP:WIKIVOICE. You may propose a hook which includes some variant of "has been described as one of the hundred greatest advertisements of all time". A copyedit wouldn't go amiss either; many sentences would deserve {{fragment}}.--Launchballer 12:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- "100 greatest advertisements of all time" is an opinion, not a fact. It is a value judgement not based on an objective criterion that can be evaluated. This is made clear in the source you linked, which says "He has the distinction of having two of his advertisements listed among the 100 greatest of all time" which is cited to a 1959 book entitled "100 Greatest Advertisements" by one Julian Watkins. You are misrepresenting the source and in the process violating WP:NPOV. What is true is that one book published over 50 years ago listed his advertisment as one of the "100 greatest of all time". Trainsandotherthings (talk) 12:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Trainsandotherthings, No, it's a fact. I also saw the same here in p.6.Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Request withdrawnSafari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
