- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:33, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
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KPSC (FM)
- ... that school officials in Palm Springs were not successful in using radio station KPSH-FM as a vocational tool, so they turned it over to the University of Southern California? Source
- Reviewed: Cypress Creek Middle High School
5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 20:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC).
Article expansion start date and filing date okay. Article length is sufficient and expansion factor is 9x, more than enough. Article is sourced, neutral, and no evident instances of copyvio seen. Hook length is okay at 173 characters, hook neutrality is not an issue. QPQ done (half as an added review, half as a contribution).
- But I'm a little concerned about some factual matters. The hook says that Palm Springs High School "sold" the station to USC, but that is not supported by fn 4, which uses the words "giving" and "turned over" – unless I missed it, I see no indication that money was exchanged. The article says that KPSH was the only station playing album oriented rock in the Palm Springs area. But a) I find that hard to believe, since that was a very popular format in the late 1970s/early 1980s, and b) fn 2 doesn't really support that claim; it can just as easily be interpreted as expressing the writer's view that KPSH was the best of the album oriented rock stations in the area. The article implies that the station stayed at 10 watts throughout its time with the high school, but fn 3 states that it was at 180 watts by 1985. Relatedly, the article would benefit by indicating how far the high school station signal could be heard – both fn 2 and fn 3 give the areas that could hear it during each of those periods. It's also worth mentioning what fn 3 says about the high school students themselves not having many opportunities to listen to it.
- Another improvement is that Repeater#Radio repeater should be linked to, as many readers may not be familiar with what a repeater station is. Also I'm not sure if the KUSC logo should be at the top of the article; maybe an old KPSH-FM can be found instead? The high school era of the article is more interesting to the reader than the college repeater era. And I don't think the {{main|KUSC}} usage at the end adds anything; KUSC is already linked to in the first paragraph and that should be sufficient.
- So some of these issues need to be addressed before this nomination can move further. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:22, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Wasted Time R,
- You do seem to be correct, so I've changed it over to "turned over". I found a second source in support of this that had not been identified because it misspelled the call letters (as "KPHS"), as well as more information on prior USC attempts to build a Palm Springs-area station (they had the year before filed an application for a brand new license).
- I've removed the note about being the only AOR station. The 1980 Broadcasting Yearbook lists the station as MOR for some reason (with an inaccurate sign-on date), so there's a bit of fuzziness.
- We only permit current radio station logos in the infoboxes of active radio stations, so yes, the KUSC logo belongs there.
- @Raymie: The article is definitely improved now. But the hook is unclear in another way as well ... "school officials in Palm Springs" might be construed as a community college or something like that. Why not say "officials of Palm Springs High School" and link that?
- As for the logo in the infobox, I find it jarring, since both the callsign and the frequency in the logo don't match the rest of the infobox. Does WikiProject Radio Stations have any sort of guidance on how to handle logos for repeater stations? And if the high school station did have a logo, you could certainly include it later in the article, just as is done in WPLJ for instance. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Wasted Time R: The guidance in WP:WPRS indicates that current logos should be in the infobox and past logos can be in the article. It does not have specific guidance related to repeaters, but the practice is to use the logo of the parent station/network. I note that articles for stations in networks like Air1 where is no deviation use the network logo (ex. KAIZ (FM)). I also cannot find a logo for KPSH...this was a tiny station.
- As to the former, the licensee was changed from "Palm Springs Unified School District" to "Office of Riverside County Superintendent of Schools" (referred to in some articles as "Riverside County School District") in 1981, thus "school officials in Palm Springs". I've added a bit more wording to help make the link. Raymie (t • c) 18:18, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I made a brief effort to find a logo but came up empty also. I guess this one has gone as far as it can go. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
