Template:Did you know nominations/Kyiv Offensive (2022)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected.
The merge request did not gain consensus; however, the stability issues look to be unresolvable for any reasonable DYK timeframe. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:00, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Kyiv offensive (2022)

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... that on the first day of Russia's 2022 Kyiv Offensive, the U.S. secretary of defense announced that Russian troops had advanced to within 20 miles of Kyiv? Source: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-attack-a05e7c4563ac94b963134bba83187d46
- ALT1: ... that Russian troops entered Kyiv on the second day of the Kyiv Offensive during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine? Source: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/vladimir-putin-invades-kiev-ukraine-war-boris-johnson-nato-b984633.html
- Comment: I do not yet have 5 DYK credits, so no QPQ required yet.

Created by Mhawk10 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC).

I'd like to express fundamental concern that the topic is inherently unstable and unready for DYK. As I outlined in 2022 Hijab row in Karnataka and others in Battle of Snake Island, high-tension current events where passions are inflamed around the world and much is still unsettled are poor fits to ensure that they can be placed on the Main Page while remaining faithful to DYK standards and neutral. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:50, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I kind of agree. Right now the page even has a tag to that effect, and there's a discussion going on about whether it should be moved to a different title. At best, any news would be WAAY out of date by the time the hook is approved. This article will also indefinitely reach GA status in the future, so I'd say that a re-nom once the page stabilizes is inevitable. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- any news would be WAAY out of date by the time the hook is approved this isn't WP:ITN; the hooks above are well cited and meet all the hook criteria. I believe that the page can be kept in line with the quality of a DYK-level page for the duration of it being on the main page, especially with it being ECP'd. — Mhawk10 (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
I also agree with this sentiment. This is an ongoing event. It's great that there's confidence that the page will be kept high quality as it proceeds, that's good, but it means that whatever form of the article is reviewed at DYK won't match what is actually on the main page a week later. More generally, even if this was on an event that had concluded - new information can come out that can drastically shift interpretation. See Jessica Lynch for one famous example. I don't think this is in DYK scope, unfortunately (nor almost any ongoing battle). SnowFire (talk) 06:54, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I tended to support Attack on Snake Island because that event was in the past; this is ongoing and presumably will be for some time. If it passes DYKnom, it may be pulled again for re-reviews due to ongoing development/edits while waiting for its time on the main page. It's a lot of extra work for DYK volunteers. – Reidgreg (talk) 23:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Now that there is a community consensus to not refuse to consider articles on the Russo-Ukrainian war, does anybody else want to take a look? — Mhawk10 (talk) 15:06, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

New enough, long enough, cited, no QPQ needed. However, there is currently a merge tag on the article, and it keeps getting updated daily. This may be more appropriate for the In the news section. I suggest nominating this under the GA criteria once the events are over. --evrik ^(talk) 14:46, 29 March 2022 (UTC)