Template:Did you know nominations/Lawrence Sabatini
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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Lawrence Sabatini
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that Lawrence Sabatini went to Mexico before becoming pastor of a formerly Italian church in Chicago's Northwest Side because its parishioners were now predominantly Hispanic?Sources: Archdiocese of ChicagoALT1:... that Lawrence Sabatini went to Mexico before becoming pastor of a formerly Italian church in Chicago to learn the language and culture of its now Hispanic parishioners?Source: (same as main hook)
- Reviewed: Robert Lyste Thornton
- Comment: Please save for May 15, his 90th birthday.
Created by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC).
- I'll review this.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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ALT 1 reads better than the main hook, but it's still a little long. Can you simplify it a little more? Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 15:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Farang Rak Tham: I've removed the district in Chicago and just listed the city. That trims ALT1 to 182 characters long. Hope that works. —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:43, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Bloom6132:, still a little too long IMHO.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 09:09, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Farang Rak Tham: It's under the 200 character limit required (always has been, in fact). I've now removed "predominantly" – that will be my final change to the hook. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Bloom6132: How about:
ALT2:... that Lawrence Sabatini went to Mexico before becoming pastor of a church in Chicago, to learn the language and culture of the church's Hispanic parishioners? - I have removed a few details. This way, there will be more focus on the bishop's decision to learn language and culture, without any distracting details.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Farang Rak Tham: (Sorry for not replying sooner – I was blocked for the past 24 hrs.) The thing I wanted to highlight in the hook was the demographic change (not language and culture). My comment above was made not because I'm unwilling to change the hook – it's that changing it any further will cause it to lose its meaning (and I'm afraid ALT2 does just that). I wanted the reader to link the bishop (whose Italian roots might be recognized through his surname) with the parish (also historically Italian) and the parishioners (who are now Hispanic). Hence his need to learn a new language and culture that he wouldn't have had to a decade or two before. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- I could come up with a new suggestion for a hook, but you don't strike me as someone who accommodates. I could be wrong though. So how do we go from here?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Farang Rak Tham:
"you don't strike me as someone who accommodates"
– let's see, I struck out the main hook because you preferred ALT1, and I made 2 changes to simplify that hook at your request. None of which I had to do, because ALT1 (even in its original form) satisfies both the DYK rules and supplementary guidelines … —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)- ALT3: ... that Lawrence Sabatini went to Mexico to learn the language and culture because the parishioners at his formerly Italian church in Chicago were now Hispanic?
- How does this 157 character hook sound? —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Farang Rak Tham:
- I could come up with a new suggestion for a hook, but you don't strike me as someone who accommodates. I could be wrong though. So how do we go from here?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Farang Rak Tham: (Sorry for not replying sooner – I was blocked for the past 24 hrs.) The thing I wanted to highlight in the hook was the demographic change (not language and culture). My comment above was made not because I'm unwilling to change the hook – it's that changing it any further will cause it to lose its meaning (and I'm afraid ALT2 does just that). I wanted the reader to link the bishop (whose Italian roots might be recognized through his surname) with the parish (also historically Italian) and the parishioners (who are now Hispanic). Hence his need to learn a new language and culture that he wouldn't have had to a decade or two before. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Bloom6132: How about:
- @Farang Rak Tham: It's under the 200 character limit required (always has been, in fact). I've now removed "predominantly" – that will be my final change to the hook. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Bloom6132:, still a little too long IMHO.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 09:09, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- I suggest this:
... that Chicago pastor Lawrence Sabatini went to Mexico to learn the language and culture of new Hispanic parishioners?
–♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)- Unfortunately, that would not be accurate. Firstly, he's a retired bishop (a permanent title), and using "pastor" would imply that he's merely a priest. Moreover, I can't describe the Hispanic parishioners as "new", because the relevant source does not say when Hispanics became predominant. Only that they were when he got there. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:21, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, @Yoninah:, @Maile66: Would it be unreasonable if I asked for a new review of the hook? I'd like to get this on the MP next Friday (May 15), everything else seems to check out fine, and even the hook is under 200 characters (surely 182 characters doesn't qualify as "slightly under"). —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
ALT3 works, and is sourced in the article. All other review issues were already covered and passed by the initial reviewer. I have struck ALT1 and ALT2. — Maile (talk) 19:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)