- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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Lente insulin
... that while lente insulin hasn't been used in humans since the mid 2000s, it is still the preferred insulin in cats and dogs?"hasn't been used in humans since the mid 2000s" https://www.pharmacytimes.com/publications/issue/2006/2006-10/2006-10-5917; Federal Register Doc. E9-2901; Federal Register Doc. 2011-14164, "still the preferred insulin in cats and dogs" doi=10.5326/JAAHA-MS-6822
- ALT1 ... that while lente insulin is no longer approved for use in humans in the United States, it is still used commonly in cats and dogs with diabetes?
- Comment: This is a combination of two cited sentences in the article - both from what I can see I put sentence citations after, but please let me know if anything further is needed. This is my first article and I was recommended to nominate it for DYK.
Created by Berchanhimez (talk). Self-nominated at 01:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC).
@Berchanhimez: Great work with your first article! For DYK, the facts that you mention in the "hook" have to be mentioned in the article and they have to have a reference to a source that verifies the fact. I cannot see where any of the sources you have provided support the statement that it "hasn't been used in humans since the mid 2000s" – could you point it out specifically? The article also mentions that lente insulin is used in cats and dogs but doesn't state that it is "the preferred insulin in cats and dogs". Could you add this to the article with a reference and, if possible, provide a brief quote from the reference that supports this? Let me know if you have any questions. 97198 (talk) 04:29, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- User:97198 The federal register references show the revocation of approval a few years after, and there’s another source from the discontinuation letter from the FDA of one of the main products in 2005. The referencing for the “preferred” statement is something I can work on, but if it’s that word that’s the issue, I think the “did you know that...” would still be interesting without - I.e something like “did you know that it’s still used in animals”, which is clear imo the way it is. I’ll look into this more tomorrow if I get a chance. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 04:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- The two FDA sources you provided ([1], [2]) simply mention lente insulin among a list of drugs whose FDA approval was withdrawn by the applicants in 2009 and 2011. I don't understand how this equates to "hasn't been used in humans since the mid 2000s". It seems the best source supporting that is the Pharmacy Times article, which was published in 2006 and mentions that the manufacturing has ceased but a small supply may still be available – but this isn't the reference you've used for the statement in the article. Feel free to get back to me after some work on the referencing. 97198 (talk) 06:11, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- User:97198, As a second idea, since I’ve been very busy the past couple days, if the snip was changed to “did you know that while lente insulin is no longer approved for use in humans, it is still approved for use as a veterinary product? I’ll try to take a further look at this later this evening if I can find some time. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 14:42, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that would work well! Or maybe the second clause could be something like "it is still commonly used in cats and dogs" if the JAAHA article supports that (I can't access it). 97198 (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- User:97198 - I've added in a specific line in this edit with a citation for the second part - I'm not sure if you are allowed to "take my word for it" that it's in the article or whether I would need to somehow provide access to it to you or wait for someone with access to verify it for you or something. I also added an alternate sentence suggestion based on your recommendations, and clarified in this alternate suggestion that the "no longer approved" applies to the US as the Federal Register/FDA obviously only approves/withdraws approval for the US. Please let me know if there's any further suggestions/changes you think would be appropriate and thank you so much for all your help. I'm very new to this whole thing (just decided that since I had some extra time here and there due to COVID I'd contribute what I could on this article to Wikipedia as it didn't exist prior) and am trying to do everything correctly. Thanks so much! bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
for ALT1. Thanks for the changes – I don't see any issue with the alternate hook. Since the source is "offline", we usually assume good faith at DYK that the source supports the text. Full review... New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing from the few online sources, hook is interesting and cited, QPQ not required. Well done Berchanhimez, and I hope you continue to contribute to our medical articles :) 97198 (talk) 08:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- User:97198 - I've added in a specific line in this edit with a citation for the second part - I'm not sure if you are allowed to "take my word for it" that it's in the article or whether I would need to somehow provide access to it to you or wait for someone with access to verify it for you or something. I also added an alternate sentence suggestion based on your recommendations, and clarified in this alternate suggestion that the "no longer approved" applies to the US as the Federal Register/FDA obviously only approves/withdraws approval for the US. Please let me know if there's any further suggestions/changes you think would be appropriate and thank you so much for all your help. I'm very new to this whole thing (just decided that since I had some extra time here and there due to COVID I'd contribute what I could on this article to Wikipedia as it didn't exist prior) and am trying to do everything correctly. Thanks so much! bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I think that would work well! Or maybe the second clause could be something like "it is still commonly used in cats and dogs" if the JAAHA article supports that (I can't access it). 97198 (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
