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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:03, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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Marjorie Husted

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Home economists working in a General Mills test kitchen
Home economists working in a General Mills test kitchen

Marjorie Child Husted (April 2, 1892 – December 23, 1986) was an American home economist and businesswoman who helped develop the brand character Betty Crocker and was her radio voice for a time. Source: LA Times

[[File:|120x133px|Betty Crocker as pictured after Husted retired ]]
Betty Crocker as pictured after Husted retired
  • This is a tough call. I just found this image of Betty Crocker in the Internet Archive. I do not wish to steal a General Mills trademark, but would like to see Husted get credit. The first image of the test kitchen comes from the Prelinger Archives which I trust means public domain. The second image comes from a community television archive for which I cannot find a rights page. Are there any image copyright specialists here? Striking and speedy delete for lack of a rights page. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

5x expanded by SusanLesch (talk). Self-nominated at 18:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment: Betty Crocker was just an advertising character? That certainly seems TIL-worthy in its own right. — LlywelynII 22:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Interesting and substantial, on good sourcs, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. What do you think of cutting the hook short
ALT2: ... that Marjorie Husted was the a radio voice of Betty Crocker, the fictional homemaking authority (test kitchen pictured)?
The image is licensed and unusual. Article: can you find a way to mention her birth name also in the article, such as "Born Marjorie Child, she ..."? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Done. I added her birth name to the lead. Do you mean the image has a free license? (It does.) -SusanLesch (talk) 07:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, ALT0 was more interesting ("helped to create") but seems to be wrong. Betty had already been around for years before Ms Husted got involved. You could go with "helped develop" but that's already weak enough that ALT2's better flow is an improvement. Betty Crocker suggests that it's a little off, too, though: "a" radio voice, instead of "the" radio voice. — LlywelynII 22:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @LlywelynII: Husted also wrote all the radio scripts which I just added to the article thanks to your review! First, what does TIL mean? Second, you may have missed the point. Yes, General Mills invented Betty Crocker in 1921. However, it was a radio station in Minneapolis and Mrs. Husted who made Betty Crocker so famous. (Husted actually went to the homes of Joan Crawford, Clark Gable and Cary Grant just for this radio show.) Third, nobody is "the" radio voice. Did you read the lead and NB1 in the article? "Several different women are believed by different audiences to be the woman behind Betty Crocker." -SusanLesch (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, since you dropped by, thank you for your work expanding the article. =) TIL (shorthand for "Today I Learned") is a popular subreddit that steals a lot of its material from Wikipedia, esp. DYK entries. (If you've never visited Reddit before, most of it is a toxic cesspit but /r/AskReddit can be entertaining and /r/ELI5, /r/AskHistorians, and /r/Eyebleach are all very useful; /r/Latin has wonderful people who make it one of the fastest places to get free translation work on the internet. Stack Exchange and Wolfram Alpha are also very helpful for their topics if you've never been.) I didn't miss any points or misread anything. If she didn't create Betty Crocker, then she didn't create her; she may have popularized her, made her famous, or developed her but all of those are different things. For the third part, I was responding to Ms Arendt's ALT2 which uses the (slightly incorrect) wording "the".

    Fwiw, I think what you just said about Joan Crawford, Clark Gable, and Cary Grant is more interesting than any of the other hooks so far. Maybe write it up as a hook and have Ms Arendt double check its sourcing? I think that's winner, winner, chicken dinner right there. — LlywelynII 08:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Short and sweet, but how about our readers for whom Betty Crocker means nothing? And where to put "pictured"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Personally, I think the image adds nothing to this nomination. It would be much better to have a picture of Betty Crocker or her red spoon, but those are fair use. Here's an alt:
  • ALT3a runs into the same (minor) problem as ALT2 above: she wasn't "the" voice. — LlywelynII 19:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Aha! Thank you @LlywelynII: for the lesson on Today I Learned. I think my husband reads Stack Exchange. In any case, I agree with you and so proposed two more ALTs below.
Also thanks, the Betty Crocker article has been corrected (it used to say Husted invented her).-SusanLesch (talk) 19:01, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
approve them also, and changed "the" to "a" in ALT3a, which I still prefer, - let the prep builders choose. I'd turn ALT4+5 around, having the real person upfront, or people might click Crocker and be happy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, @Gerda Arendt: ALTs 4&5 are switched around now. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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