Template:Did you know nominations/Mothercraft Training Society
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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
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Mothercraft Training Society
Princess Elizabeth of York
- ... that in 1930 the new infant-care centre of the Mothercraft Training Society was named after Princess Elizabeth of York (pictured), now Queen Elizabeth II?
Source: "Princess Elizabeth of York Hostel Winchester Place, Highgate, N6 5HQ", myzen.co.uk - ALT0a ... that in 1930 the infant-care centre of the Mothercraft Training Society was named after Princess Elizabeth of York (pictured), now Queen Elizabeth II?
Source: as above- ALT1:... that ninety years ago the new infant-care centre of the Mothercraft Training Society was named after Princess Elizabeth of York (pictured)?
Source: as above, which gives the date of the opening as 26 November 1930.
- ALT1:... that ninety years ago the new infant-care centre of the Mothercraft Training Society was named after Princess Elizabeth of York (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Stars and Stripes (ballet)
Created by Simon Edwards Esq (talk). Nominated by Moonraker (talk) at 23:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC).
New enough; created on 9 March, 3 days before DYK nom. Long enough, at almost 7300 characters. There are no policy issues. The citations aren't consistent, but I think they're adequate for DYK purposes. Ref1 is broken, though. I have a slight preference for hook 1, although both hooks are basically the same. This is picky, but I'd remove the word "new" because since the centre is 90 years old, it's not new. QPQ done. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:22, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, Figureskatingfan. You were right about the broken link in the first citation, I have fixed it. The centre was new ninety years ago, but please see the new ALT0a, with the word “new” taken out, you can of course approve just one if you wish. Regards Moonraker (talk) 01:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
You're welcome. Thanks for making the changes. I choose ALT0a. You're good to go, as they say. ;) All the best. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, Figureskatingfan. You were right about the broken link in the first citation, I have fixed it. The centre was new ninety years ago, but please see the new ALT0a, with the word “new” taken out, you can of course approve just one if you wish. Regards Moonraker (talk) 01:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- The source used for this hook indicates that this was named for the queen mother (also an Elizabeth), not for her child. MeegsC (talk) 11:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- (Transferred from User talk:MeegsC) I agree the source is confusing, but in 1930 when the annex was opened the current Queen's title was Princess Elizabeth of York - see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Elizabeth_II. The title of the Queen Mother at the time she opened the annex was the Duchess of York. What would be more appropriate for a maternity care centre than to name its new building after a four year old princess? People were very fussy about titles and names then and if the intention was to call it after the Duchess of York they would have done so. They were so deferential then, that I suspect the board of the centre would have asked the Palace if the Duchess would like the new annex to be named in honour of the Duchess (who was a patron of the Mothercraft Training Society) and she suggested that it should be named after her child, Princess Elizabeth. Simon— Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- (Transferred from User talk:Simon Edwards Esq) :Hi Simon: What you've said on my page re: this may indeed be true, but the source says "The new building was originally called the Princess Elizabeth Hostel and was opened by its namesake (the wife of George VI and mother of Elizabeth II) in 1930." (bolding mine) So you'll need to find another source that indicates clearly that it was named for the child and not the mother, because this source doesn't show that. Anything else that we "guess" would, unfortunately, be OR—regardless of how much sense it makes! ;) MeegsC (talk) 11:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- (Transferred from User talk:MeegsC) It would make no sense at all, and in fact it would have been a slight to the Duchess, to have called it the Princess Elizabeth Hostel, if the intention was to have named it after the Duchess. After all she opened it, and if it was to have been called after her why wouldn't it have been called after her title at the time of opening - The Duchess of York Hostel? Why would she want it called after an old title of hers? Remember that at that time she had no idea that her four year old daughter, Princess Elizabeth of York, would become queen - indeed it was very unlikely. I don't have a source to confirm, I'm afraid, so don't worry about DYK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 11:59, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know – it's the first thing listed in the British honours they read out at her (the Queen Mother's) funeral! I hate to see your good work go unrewarded. Can we not come up with a different hook? MeegsC (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- MeegsC, I take your point, the source is a little confused, but I am entirely with the wise words of Simon Edwards Esq. Never fear, I have now found a better source and added it to the page; "ROYAL BABY'S NAME FOR HOSTEL. APPEAL TO ALL THE ELIZABETHS", in The Westminster Gazette, 7 July 1927, p. 7: "The Princess Elizabeth of York Hostel is to be the name, by permission of the Duchess of York, mother of Princess Elizabeth, of the new hostel of the Mothercraft Training Society." I hope this will clear the point up. Moonraker (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know – it's the first thing listed in the British honours they read out at her (the Queen Mother's) funeral! I hate to see your good work go unrewarded. Can we not come up with a different hook? MeegsC (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- (Transferred from User talk:MeegsC) It would make no sense at all, and in fact it would have been a slight to the Duchess, to have called it the Princess Elizabeth Hostel, if the intention was to have named it after the Duchess. After all she opened it, and if it was to have been called after her why wouldn't it have been called after her title at the time of opening - The Duchess of York Hostel? Why would she want it called after an old title of hers? Remember that at that time she had no idea that her four year old daughter, Princess Elizabeth of York, would become queen - indeed it was very unlikely. I don't have a source to confirm, I'm afraid, so don't worry about DYK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 11:59, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- (Transferred from User talk:Simon Edwards Esq) :Hi Simon: What you've said on my page re: this may indeed be true, but the source says "The new building was originally called the Princess Elizabeth Hostel and was opened by its namesake (the wife of George VI and mother of Elizabeth II) in 1930." (bolding mine) So you'll need to find another source that indicates clearly that it was named for the child and not the mother, because this source doesn't show that. Anything else that we "guess" would, unfortunately, be OR—regardless of how much sense it makes! ;) MeegsC (talk) 11:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- (Transferred from User talk:MeegsC) I agree the source is confusing, but in 1930 when the annex was opened the current Queen's title was Princess Elizabeth of York - see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Elizabeth_II. The title of the Queen Mother at the time she opened the annex was the Duchess of York. What would be more appropriate for a maternity care centre than to name its new building after a four year old princess? People were very fussy about titles and names then and if the intention was to call it after the Duchess of York they would have done so. They were so deferential then, that I suspect the board of the centre would have asked the Palace if the Duchess would like the new annex to be named in honour of the Duchess (who was a patron of the Mothercraft Training Society) and she suggested that it should be named after her child, Princess Elizabeth. Simon— Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
