Template:Did you know nominations/Neighbours 30th Anniversary
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Neighbours 30th Anniversary
- ... that for the Neighbours 30th anniversary, Anne Charleston reprised her role as Madge Bishop, who appears as a figment of Harold Bishop's memory? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that over 20 regular characters, 70 extras and 7 stuntmen were brought in to film the opening scene of Neighbours' 30th anniversary? Source: [2]
- ALT2: ... that over 44 cast members, including celebrity chef Matt Preston, starred in the Neighbours 30th anniversary? Source: [3]
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- Comment: This is my first DYK nomination for the article I wrote that recently passed as GA. I hope it goes well!
Improved to Good Article status by Therealscorp1an (talk). Self-nominated at 22:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Neighbours 30th Anniversary; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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@Therealscorp1an: Good article. Not exactly a fan of alt0 but the other hooks are decent enough. Though, i'm not seeing where alt1 is cited in the source (also the source is youtube which is something). Nor does the source for alt2 seem to mention that over 44 cast members starred in the anniversary. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ Kilkelly, Daniel (18 March 2015). "Neighbours producer shares 30th anniversary gossip and teasers". Digital Spy. Retrieved 27 September 2023.
- ^ Fletcher, Alan; Mason, James; Dennis, Stefan (4 March 2015). Neighbours Backstage - Erinsborough Festival Disaster!. Neighbours via YouTube. Retrieved 27 September 2023.
- ^ Klompus, Jack (27 February 2015). "MasterChef Australia judge Matt Preston to appear on Neighbours". Digital Spy. Retrieved 27 September 2023.
- @Onegreatjoke: Hi, thanks for reviewing this! The sources were a long shot because the source only covers Matt Preston's appearance. The over 44 cast members is actually an amalgamation of a bunch of primary sources (the episodes themselves), which wouldn't actually cover all the cast members because a lot of the guest characters (like the Driver or Constable Ian McKay – see the article) were never going to be covered in media sources since, well, they're guest characters. These characters are mentioned in the article, but the episodes themselves serve as the reference. So, yeah, I was a bit iffy on that source, but it served well for Matt Preston and the episodes themselves serve as sources for other 43 cast members. Is there any way we could get around this or anything? Thanks a heap. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 03:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an: That's definitely interesting of a source choice. I'm not exactly sure if how good of a source that is, especially with the other youtube sources (still not exactly sure how that youtube source fits with alt1 to be honest). It might be good enough to approve though it depends. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:12, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an: were you able to resolve Onegreatjoke's sourcing concerns? Z1720 (talk) 17:29, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hi. I'm so sorry for the late response. No, I wasn't. But perhaps this reference might still work? The issue is, the information in this DYK is not information from one particular source. The information in this DYK is an amalgamation of information found in the article, supported by numerous sources. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Does the above satisfy your concerns? If not, what needs to happen to get this hook approved? Z1720 (talk) 01:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Sure. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:46, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: So does this mean it will be on DYK? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 06:21, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Does the above satisfy your concerns? If not, what needs to happen to get this hook approved? Z1720 (talk) 01:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi. I'm so sorry for the late response. No, I wasn't. But perhaps this reference might still work? The issue is, the information in this DYK is not information from one particular source. The information in this DYK is an amalgamation of information found in the article, supported by numerous sources. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an: were you able to resolve Onegreatjoke's sourcing concerns? Z1720 (talk) 17:29, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an: That's definitely interesting of a source choice. I'm not exactly sure if how good of a source that is, especially with the other youtube sources (still not exactly sure how that youtube source fits with alt1 to be honest). It might be good enough to approve though it depends. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:12, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
I too have concerns about the excessive reliance on YouTube videos. These are a problem because there is no way of verifying whether the information cited to them is WP:UNDUE. As it stands, I don't think the article meets WP:DYKPOL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: What about the references makes it WP:UNDUE? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Their very existence. If the information they contained was DUE, it would be cited in reliable sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an: Are you willing to look for replacements for the YouTube sources? @AirshipJungleman29: are you willing to let this appear on the Main Page as-is, or should it be rejected? Z1720 (talk) 18:43, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- This nomination has caused me more grief, than joy, and I do not see any other way to get around the YouTube reference, so I assume it is up to User:AirshipJungleman29 to decide now. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- As a promoter, I would not put this article in a queue. If you agree, Z1720, this nomination should be rejected; if not, I will disengage and leave it up to you and others. These issues should really have been addressed in the GA review. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an and AirshipJungleman29: I am going to open a GAR of this article, so that other editors can weigh in with their concerns. If other editors are not concerned with the use of the YouTube videos and allow this to retain its GA status, then I have no problems with running this at DYK. If the article does not conform to GA status, then the article won't be eligible for DYK. Z1720 (talk) 23:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Z1720 and AirshipJungleman29: I am content with canceling this DYK now. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an and AirshipJungleman29: I am going to open a GAR of this article, so that other editors can weigh in with their concerns. If other editors are not concerned with the use of the YouTube videos and allow this to retain its GA status, then I have no problems with running this at DYK. If the article does not conform to GA status, then the article won't be eligible for DYK. Z1720 (talk) 23:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- As a promoter, I would not put this article in a queue. If you agree, Z1720, this nomination should be rejected; if not, I will disengage and leave it up to you and others. These issues should really have been addressed in the GA review. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- This nomination has caused me more grief, than joy, and I do not see any other way to get around the YouTube reference, so I assume it is up to User:AirshipJungleman29 to decide now. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an: Are you willing to look for replacements for the YouTube sources? @AirshipJungleman29: are you willing to let this appear on the Main Page as-is, or should it be rejected? Z1720 (talk) 18:43, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Their very existence. If the information they contained was DUE, it would be cited in reliable sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Nominator indicated above that they would like to withdraw this nomination. Z1720 (talk) 23:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)