- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
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Nozomi Nishida
edit- ... that Japanese voice actress and singer Nozomi Nishida went on a study program in Denmark while in high school? Source: [1] ("西田：もともと、グリム童話とかアンデルセンみたいな児童文学が好きで、ああいう物語の舞台になっているような場所に行ってみたくて、語学留学しました。デンマークって北欧ならではの空気感があって、本当にゆったりした時間が流れているんですよね。もう、ただただ毎日が楽しくて。自転車でホストファミリーといろんなところに出かけるとか、日本ではできないような体験をしました。小さな子どもが好きだから、職業体験で幼稚園に行かせてもらったこともあって。金髪の子どもたち、かわいかった〜！")
- ALT1:... that Japanese voice actress and singer Nozomi Nishida is fluent in Danish? Source: [2] (西田：それが、3ヶ月くらいすると急にポンッて理解できるようになるんです。他の留学生もみんな言っていて、私にも同じことが起こりました。もともと英語は苦手で、デンマーク語はゼロから学べたから、かえってラクだったのかなって思います。")
Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:04, 12 June 2019 (UTC).
Date, size, refs, copyvio, neutrality, all ok. But the hook is totally boring (nothing out of the ordinary), and neither is ALT1. I'd propose something less common, like that she became fluent in Danish because of her interest in European children literature, or that she worked as an idol in Akihabara, or that she was one of the voices of the Macross' Walkure fictional music group. Please ping me when alt hooks are ready for a review. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:10, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know, I don't think it's common for Japanese to know Danish right? And I don't know if a hook specifically focusing on Walkure would work for readers who are unfamiliar with Macross or anime ingeneral. Anyway, here are the requested ALTs (I'd still rather focus on the Denmark part, but if you don't think it's good enough for DYK, I'll try to propose new ALTs about other aspects of her life):
- ALT2 ... that Japanese voice actress and singer Nozomi Nishida went on a study program in Denmark due to an interest in European children's literature?
- ALT3 ... that Japanese voice actress and singer Nozomi Nishida initially wanted to pursue a study program in Germany, but ended up studying in Denmark due to a lack of slots?
- Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew
- I don't know, I don't think it's common for Japanese to know Danish right? And I don't know if a hook specifically focusing on Walkure would work for readers who are unfamiliar with Macross or anime ingeneral. Anyway, here are the requested ALTs (I'd still rather focus on the Denmark part, but if you don't think it's good enough for DYK, I'll try to propose new ALTs about other aspects of her life):
- @Narutolovehinata5: It's a bit of cultural clash - it's not common for an Asian person, but not particularly interesting to a European leader, and we want hooks that will be interesting to all of our readers. So what makes for a uprising hook on JPN wiki may be less useful for English. I will propose ALT4 and ALT5 below, which I find more interesting for a global audience, and let's have another reviewer chose the ones they like the best. In particular, it seems that the Walküre music group both existed in anime and in real life, but I have trouble finding sources for that, hence ALT6 is provisional as it is based on my quick glance through at Macross wikia, not a RS. I think that a hook about this would be quite interesting, much more so than which language she mastered, or where she went as an exchange student. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- ALT4 ... that Japanese voice actress and singer Nozomi Nishida started her career as an idol in Akihabara?
- ALT5 ... that Japanese voice actress and singer Nozomi Nishida voiced a fictional idol in anime Macross Delta?
- ALT6 ... that Japanese voice actress and singer Nozomi Nishida is a member of a Walküre music group which exists both in real life and in the anime Macross Delta?
- I don't really like ALT5 and ALT6, they're both basically "voice actress voices a role" hooks, which aren't really great in my opinion. I'm more open to ALT4.
Yeah, it might be a good idea to get another set of eyes here since you proposed new hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- I don't really like ALT5 and ALT6, they're both basically "voice actress voices a role" hooks, which aren't really great in my opinion. I'm more open to ALT4.
- As her birthday is coming up on July 22, I'd like to request that whatever hook is approved to go up on that date. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Reviewing. I agree with Piotrus that her Danish and German ambitions tell us nothing about what she really does. In hooks ALT4 to ALT6, we don't need the clumsy "Japanese voice actress and singer", because her name is Japanese enough, and activity better described than labelled. I like ALT6 best, thinking that "anime" is better known than "idol", which would then be
- ALT6a: ... that Nozomi Nishida is a member of a Walküre music group which exists both in real life and in the anime Macross Delta?
approve all, but ALT6 preferred. On her birthday, please. - Final comment: we don't need long Japanese text here, - a link would suffice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Hi, I came by to promote this for July 22, but I wonder if you want a July 24 appearance instead to coincide with the release of her first album? Yoninah (talk) 15:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: If we had gone with the Danish hook instead, then the July 24 date would be fine too since the album's title has Danish in it. But since consensus was to go for another hook topic, then the birthday date is probably preferable to me instead. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
