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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Yoninah (talk) 10:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

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Ottaviano Nelli

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  • Reviewed: Shirley Chisholm State Park
  • Comment: The first two references are not from me and I can't read them, but I assume good faith towards the article creator.

5x expanded by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Hmm! You need to get your head round what an easel painting is! All the sources are 90+ years old ("Raimond Van Marle (6 December 2012). The Development of the Italian Schools of Painting" is actually a 1927 book. You need newer ones. Some of those redlinks have articles, but are typed/spelled wrong (or not the standard way anyway. There are almost 100 pics on Commons, most much better than the one used. I don't understand the hook, or its significance. Paint it where? Why is this hooky, or even worth including? Johnbod (talk) 02:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  • "You need newer ones." According to what? SL93 (talk) 02:18, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  • They are too old to be WP:RS, certainly to source the whole article. Johnbod (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Again, according to what? What mentions it? It isn't like anything changed when the painter died around 1444. SL93 (talk) 02:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
On the contrary, art history not infrequently decides that old artists covered in old sources didn't actually exist, or merges them with someone else. Johnbod (talk) 02:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, he certainly is still considered to exist, but I don't have access to the snippet views of books in Google. As for the picture used in the article, it was already there. SL93 (talk) 02:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
The ULAN authority control at the bottom tells us this hasn't happened here, but it is very likely that some of the works mentioned have been reassigned. That's a poor excuse on the picture! I'm getting a pretty grudging attitude here. Johnbod (talk) 02:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Grudging attitude? Didn't you just start your review with "Hmm!" and say that my explanation was a poor excuse when it wasn't even an excuse? Yes, there are almost 100 pictures on Commons, but I can't please everybody with what image I choose. SL93 (talk) 02:36, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Withdraw: I have been able to verify such works as the Polyptych being from him with online sources and some corrected spellings, but I am done working on the article because I refuse to work with someone who starts a review with an attitude. SL93 (talk) 02:48, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Probably best: "To qualify for DYK, an article needs to meet several special criteria, in addition to being checked for normal encyclopedic issues". (My bold). This needed better sources & a certain amount of work, which it seems it wasn't going to get. Pietro Vanucci (really Vannucci) is Perugino btw - *I don't blame you for not knowing that, or there not being a redirect, but that's the sort of thing you get using sources 120 yrs old. Johnbod (talk) 02:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

as withdrawn. Johnbod (talk) 02:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

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