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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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Perihan Çınar

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Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 10:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Perihan Çınar; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • (Not a review) The hook is pretty boring, even if it were to be formatted to make it more idiomatic. Reading the article, I don't see anything more interesting. Please watch for typos; I corrected two just giving the page a quick glance. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:17, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
  • General eligibility:
  • New enough: Yes
  • Long enough: Yes
  • Other problems: No - The article contains numerous typos and errors. I have tagged it as needing copyediting.
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Current DYK guidelines which the article does not meet: WP:DYKINT and WP:DYKCOMPLETE. A new hook is needed, along with a copyedit for the article ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  • Modified a little. Sportspeople need license to perform a sport in a club. CeeGee 09:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
  • @AirshipJungleman29: You must be joking. A sport license is not a subject for sale. Do I have to explain how a license is obtained? CeeGee 06:05, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
  • That is neither an explanation of how a license is obtained or a link to a relevant page on the Turkish hockey website, CeeGee. Please do not be obstructive. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I don't know who is obstructive. What do you mean whit a link to Turkish hockey. That was the link as I understood your request. For the license obtaining I advise you maybe ask someone you know who is familiar with sports. CeeGee 06:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
  • However, here is a link (in Turkish) for you. CeeGee 06:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
  • The link you have provided shows that her getting a license is not intriguing in the slightest—it might as well say "her parents filled out some forms when she was eleven". Since no interesting hooks have been nominated in the last week, I am marking this as rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I guess you misunderstand the fact. At age eleven, she is able to fill out any forms. How do you know that her parents have filled out the forms. Besides, what does make the obtaining of the license not important. Do you try to fabricate reasons to block the nomination? I am sure someone would pay attention to your action. CeeGee 09:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Because I read the link you provided but clearly did not read yourself, which states that any license application from a person under eighteen needs parental permission. You are welcome to ask for wider attention at WT:DYK; I would however suggest you don't accuse others of acting in bad faith. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Isn't clear that minors need parental consent to enter into legal contracts. The fact is, however, she obtained the license to perform hockey in a clubata t her age eleven. The problem is that you come with unlogical arguments. CeeGee 06:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
  • @CeeGee: I think the interestingness issue AirshipJungleman29 is alluding to is that obtaining a license to play a fairly dangerous sport professionally at a young age implies a level of skill, respect, or otherwise being a prodigy, while the reality is that anyone's parents can apply for such a license. At least, that's the only issue I can see with what they're complaining about. The question is - while the truth may be bland, it would not be technically incorrect to simply say the license was obtained at that age - so would it be wrong of DYK to let readers assume the fact is more interesting than it is? Kingsif (talk) 02:47, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: Thank you very much indeed for your detailed axplanations. With "obtained her license at age 12", it is meant that she seriously started performing hockey sport at that very young age. I think this is interesting because not every kid starts performing hockey so early. If the readers would think this is not interesting at all, I can accept. But how do I learn that readers' opinion? CeeGee 07:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @CeeGee: No, I said that would be interesting, but Airship questioned if the source supported that conclusion. So the concern has to be if it is right for DYK to let the interesting thing be implied, if not certain it is the correct interpretation of the relatively simple fact, or if that counts as clickbait. Do you have thoughts on that? Kingsif (talk) 13:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: Sources: "A Milli Kadın Hokey Takımı'nın kaptanı Perihan Çınar" (in Turkish) [8], " Lisans Tarihi : 12.12.2005" (in Turkish) [9]. Is there still suspicion? Thank you. CeeGee 14:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I don't think you are aware of/able to understand the issue being described. Kingsif (talk) 15:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  • You may be right. Sorry for my incapacity. Maybe in just one clear sentence. CeeGee 08:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @CeeGee: The source is good. The hook and source say the same thing. But the hook is only interesting by implication. The implication isn't in the source. There is no WP:V issue, but is it "right" to let the implication stand? I don't have an answer, and you can think yes or no. But it might be easier to suggest another hook to avoid the question entirely. Kingsif (talk) 16:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC
  • Thank you for your suggestion. Below another alt-hook: CeeGee 05:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
@Kingsif and AirshipJungleman29: Per Airship's request, I have given it a solid copy edit, although I see from the..uh... robust discussion above that the nom maybe beyond saving. ——Serial Number 54129 15:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The nomination is now well over two months old, so I am following up on my 25 February comment. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @AirshipJungleman29: You must know that copyediting by the Guild takes some time, which I cannot accelerate. On the other hand, where can I read the expire limit of a DYK-nomination? Moreover, I provided an ALT2-hook, which you may comment on. CeeGee 15:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
  • You can take steps to ensure that your nominations do not inevitably need a two-month hold while other people get them into shape. For expiry limits, see this discussion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @AirshipJungleman29: I guess I am not the only one, whose DYK-nom occasionally needs copyediting. I always promptly reacted to requests of the reviewer. I don't know if the said discussion, which you had launched, has ended with a conclusion, and led to a rule of expiry limit at all. I think it is not hard to reject a DYK-nom with a reason like not interesting, too old or something if someone's intension is to find a solution for DYK backlog. CeeGee 07:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I was not the one who brought up the idea of a two month rule—that was five administrators (Kusma, RoySmith, Gatoclass, Valeree, and Schwede66). You may note that in that discussion I wondered whether getting "accus[ed] of subjectivity and unnecessary hostility", as seems to be happening here, would be worth it. Do you want to ping one of them? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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