- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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Peter Settman
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... that Peter Settman (pictured) is known for his appearances on the Swedish comedy show Ronny och Ragge?
- Reviewed:Geoffrey Bles
Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self nominated at 18:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC).
Hook not very interesting or unusual. What is so special about this actor playing in a comedy show? Did he recover from a crippling accident just before performing in a comedy? Did he just learn how to speak after being deaf all his life? Hook is trivia. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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... that in 1989, Swedish television presenter Peter Settman (pictured) started his own television production company Baluba, which he still owns and runs today?
- ALT1 much better. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Hook length and article length okay. Photo is own work -- i.e.okay. No dup links. This is English Wikipedia and apparently all the sources are written in Swedish(?), so I can't say for sure if citations are in order, or if there is any close paraphrasing. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 02:49, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Photograph is in public domain. Hook is cited. It's long enough. New enough. AGF on the Swedish language sources. Nice article! Étienne Dolet (talk) 17:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'll go ahead and AGF, with the comment that we've been seeing a lot of AGF's around here. I would ask, if we are going to assume good faith that the nominator respond in kind and at least quote the passage in English, along with page number, for any cite(s) used in the hook. This way we're not putting out the message that anyone can come along and simply expect us to AGF at any time. Fair? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have now translated the refs. That is as far as my AGF for this review goes. What language the refs are in are not a contributing factor to an articles notability, but more so is the facts inside the refs. For the rest of your comments, I am a contributer who has created articles for several years and to question my good faith concerning honesty of hooks and refs is a bit odd to say the least. This should be good to go now.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:38, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Refs are used so the general reader can verify a given statement. If the general reader can't do this, then why bother? Why not just do away with refs entirely and blindly AGF for every article? Hello? I wasn't questioning your honesty but merely asking that you make some sort of effort for the general readers and reviewers. Btw, this is not about you, this is about maintaining 'some' standards. I have asked others to do the same with no personal issues. If you can't even make a small effort and at lease type out a sentence or two so we can see what the actual sources say without your feathers getting ruffled, then wait for someone else to give you the GTG. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:22, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
- Who is making a big deal about this? Not me. :) Time to take a deep breath and take a cup of coffee. I have "done the effort"... Now either keep to the task and give it a go ahead or leave it up to someone else. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:40, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
- You're the one who put the issue of honesty on the table when it was asked that you simply translate, even after I explained why i.e.for the sake of maintaining standards and not giving others the impression that they can always expect us to AGF. If I had doubts about your honesty I would have simply given the nomination the axe. Guess you missed that. Coffee? You say you've translated. Okay, where is the source/passage, translated into English, that cites the ALT1 hook? Is this it? Where does it say anything about Settman starting his television production company Baluba in 1989? If you had not been dragging your feet about this the nomination would have been GTG days ago. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 04:55, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- A term like "dragging your feets" is it meant like an insult or is it just a way to provoke? Frankly I feel more comfortable with someone else taking over reviewing this nom. I have been around Wikipedia long enough to smell trouble and a " you know you are wrong and I am right" never ending meta debate. I am assuming good faith certainly but you seem to miss a few vital points of the required notability of articles and its sources. Well, if you had not as you put it "dragged your feets" I could have been done with this nom a few days ago. So please try to work on the way you present your suggestions, treating nominating users like they are "less than yourself" is not attractive.--BabbaQ (talk) 08:26, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- You're the one who put the issue of honesty on the table when it was asked that you simply translate, even after I explained why i.e.for the sake of maintaining standards and not giving others the impression that they can always expect us to AGF. If I had doubts about your honesty I would have simply given the nomination the axe. Guess you missed that. Coffee? You say you've translated. Okay, where is the source/passage, translated into English, that cites the ALT1 hook? Is this it? Where does it say anything about Settman starting his television production company Baluba in 1989? If you had not been dragging your feet about this the nomination would have been GTG days ago. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 04:55, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Who is making a big deal about this? Not me. :) Time to take a deep breath and take a cup of coffee. I have "done the effort"... Now either keep to the task and give it a go ahead or leave it up to someone else. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:40, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
- Refs are used so the general reader can verify a given statement. If the general reader can't do this, then why bother? Why not just do away with refs entirely and blindly AGF for every article? Hello? I wasn't questioning your honesty but merely asking that you make some sort of effort for the general readers and reviewers. Btw, this is not about you, this is about maintaining 'some' standards. I have asked others to do the same with no personal issues. If you can't even make a small effort and at lease type out a sentence or two so we can see what the actual sources say without your feathers getting ruffled, then wait for someone else to give you the GTG. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:22, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have now translated the refs. That is as far as my AGF for this review goes. What language the refs are in are not a contributing factor to an articles notability, but more so is the facts inside the refs. For the rest of your comments, I am a contributer who has created articles for several years and to question my good faith concerning honesty of hooks and refs is a bit odd to say the least. This should be good to go now.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:38, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Per WP:NONENG: Citations to non-English sources are allowed. On DYK, we AGF on offline sources. However, the sources here are online so you don't really have to AGF, you can read them and translate them, as can the general reader. The 1989 fact is supported by the its reference. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:47, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- I disagree with the original reviewer that the first hook is uninteresting. It IS interesting, but the page itself reads like a bio – born, lived, worked – without giving any flavor of his notability or style. Something should be added about his creation of comedy characters and the characters or skits he is best known for. Yoninah (talk) 22:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Thanks. Now it fills the bill of a good "start-class" article. Original review notes on length, newness, public-domain image, and QPQ still hold. Foreign-language hook ref AGF and cited inline. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:00, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi again. I'm surprised how well Google Translate works with Swedish sources; I don't have the same success with Hebrew sources. I added a bunch of information about Ronny and Regge to the article, and now wonder about updating the hook. What do you think about:
- ALT2: ... that Ronny and Ragge, a popular TV duo created by Swedish comedian Peter Settman (pictured), put out their own album with musician Christer Sandelin? Yoninah (talk) 00:33, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Yoninah's assessment that this nomination meets DYK criteria and I approve the ALT2 hook as having an inline citation to a suitable source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:30, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
